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#3412065 - 07/01/14 09:45 PM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: ElastoHydro]
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Registered: 06/29/14
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Loc: California
Originally Posted By: ElastoHydro
What does bother me is that Ford Ecoboost turbo engines only spec dino conventional, and Hyundai turbos too, others I'm sure. Its true this stuff survives 'OK', yet I have to think more deposits and coking occurs with dino choices.


Most engines perform alright laying down some deposits. Enthusiasts don't like it. I'd use synthetics just to be sure. Always beat the minimum spec if possible and easy to do.

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#3412069 - 07/01/14 09:49 PM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: edyvw]
boundarylayer Offline


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Originally Posted By: edyvw

My friend used M1 5W30 in his Audi A4 1.8T. The reason: He did not want to pay dealership $89 to change oil, so he was going to those 10 minute oil changes. I warned him that that is not proper oil, but he said&#268; well, it is synthetic.
I did not want to go into deeper discussion since he knows about cars like I do about nail polish, but after 80K his engine was dead! Sludge was so bad that turbo stayed without oil lubrication and damaged also engine to the point beyond any repair.


I don't want to be cynical, yet I have to think those quick-lube places might have been putting in dino while telling the customer it was Mobil1. Maybe. Its happened.

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#3412074 - 07/01/14 09:53 PM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: boundarylayer]
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Registered: 03/08/12
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Originally Posted By: boundarylayer
Originally Posted By: edyvw

My friend used M1 5W30 in his Audi A4 1.8T. The reason: He did not want to pay dealership $89 to change oil, so he was going to those 10 minute oil changes. I warned him that that is not proper oil, but he said&#268; well, it is synthetic.
I did not want to go into deeper discussion since he knows about cars like I do about nail polish, but after 80K his engine was dead! Sludge was so bad that turbo stayed without oil lubrication and damaged also engine to the point beyond any repair.


I don't want to be cynical, yet I have to think those quick-lube places might have been putting in dino while telling the customer it was Mobil1. Maybe. Its happened.

Could be, but M1 5W30 does not have high HTHS necessary for those engines. I used M1 5W30 in Mazda V6, great oil. But in 1.8T you need something thicker, more sheer stable.
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#3412096 - 07/01/14 10:14 PM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: edyvw]
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Could be, but M1 5W30 does not have high HTHS necessary for those engines. I used M1 5W30 in Mazda V6, great oil. But in 1.8T you need something thicker, more sheer stable.
HTHS doesn't relate to varnish/sludge build up, its the tendency to reduce viscosity under hot/fast/loaded conditions, related to oil film thickness.

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#3412174 - 07/02/14 12:10 AM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: camrydriver111]
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No, HTHS is the viscosity at 150C, and 10^6s^-1 shear rate...it's purely viscosity, not a "tendency" for anything

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#3412209 - 07/02/14 03:31 AM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: ElastoHydro]
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] What does bother me is that Ford Ecoboost turbo engines only spec dino conventional, and Hyundai turbos too, others I'm sure. Its true this stuff survives 'OK', yet I have to think more deposits and coking occurs with dino choices. [/quote]


Car manufacturers will recommend anything to be competitible on a new car market. Cheaper oil,cheaper maintenance over all. They know engine will be good unti warranty runs out. Is Ford a strong player among fleet buyers? If so there is your answer. In Europe Alfa Romeo did same thing in the late 1990s early 2000s with their Twin Spark engines. They recommended 20k km OCI with only 10w-40 oil,and cambelt change every 120k km.Result: a lot of bottom end failures and a lot of bent valves.Cars that was running shorter OCI and 60k km cambelt change drive to this day with no problems. And this 20k oil and 120k belt was only to compete better with chain driven BMW for the fleet buyers as FIAT admitted later on.


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#3412344 - 07/02/14 09:00 AM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: geeman789]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Originally Posted By: geeman789
5w40 M1 TDT

Check with Imperial Oil for pricing on Delvac 1. It's about half the price of M1 TDT, which never goes on sale.
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#3412509 - 07/02/14 12:20 PM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: camrydriver111]
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Use the M1 0w-40, I've run it in my M5 for the last two winters and it performed admirably. My sister also runs it in her 330i, which is in Edmonton, again, flawless cold start performance.
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#3412567 - 07/02/14 01:30 PM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: OVERKILL]
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Registered: 07/21/02
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Use the M1 0w-40, I've run it in my M5 for the last two winters and it performed admirably. My sister also runs it in her 330i, which is in Edmonton, again, flawless cold start performance.


^^^ This.
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#3412661 - 07/02/14 03:19 PM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: camrydriver111]
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^^^X a dozen. It's a hard one to beat.

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#3420156 - 07/09/14 10:09 PM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: camrydriver111]
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A 40 weight oil is really not needed in a Canadian Winter. Yes a 0W40 will start up just fine at any temp, but if you have an oil temp gauge you will see that the oil will never approach the same temp it does in the summer. That 40 weight will cost you in MPG.

I will argue that most any car can use a 0W20 in the Canadian winter, and the oil will still be thicker that a 40 weight would be in the summer,
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#3420232 - 07/09/14 11:18 PM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: Bluestream]
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Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
I will argue that most any car can use a 0W20 in the Canadian winter, and the oil will still be thicker that a 40 weight would be in the summer,

I'd be cautious in some vehicles, but generally speaking, especially with short tripping, there should be no issues. If I were driving my F-150 (or G for that matter) just a mile at a time in the winter from a cold start, I cannot see there being any problems with a 0w-20.
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#3420432 - 07/10/14 08:20 AM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: Garak]
Bluestream Offline


Registered: 09/13/03
Posts: 3920
Loc: Waterloo, ON
Originally Posted By: Garak

I'd be cautious in some vehicles,


Really? Which vehicles? They use 0W20 year round in Texas, I think its good for Canadian Winters. Have you ever checked your oil temp in winter after driving for an hour? Its very low, maybe 130F
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#3420470 - 07/10/14 08:58 AM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: Garak]
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Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 2603
Loc: Upper Midwest
I wanted to use 0W-20 in my BMW this past winter (kept outside in extreme northern Wisconsin and mainly short-tripped), but noooo.... I got shot down on here like I was advocating smallpox whistle

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
I will argue that most any car can use a 0W20 in the Canadian winter, and the oil will still be thicker that a 40 weight would be in the summer,

I'd be cautious in some vehicles, but generally speaking, especially with short tripping, there should be no issues. If I were driving my F-150 (or G for that matter) just a mile at a time in the winter from a cold start, I cannot see there being any problems with a 0w-20.
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#3420483 - 07/10/14 09:13 AM Re: New To BMW and Synthetics [Re: kschachn]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: kschachn
I wanted to use 0W-20 in my BMW this past winter (kept outside in extreme northern Wisconsin and mainly short-tripped), but noooo.... I got shot down on here like I was advocating smallpox whistle

So what did you use instead, and did it cause you problems?
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