Recent Topics
Naked Engine ?
by HTSS_TR
08/04/15 12:42 AM
New Clutch in 98 Ranger
by Scout1
08/03/15 11:33 PM
Cat. converter, muffler, something else?
by GpB311
08/03/15 10:50 PM
cummins no crank 911 HELP!
by turbodieselfreak
08/03/15 10:42 PM
My fourth intake manifold leak. Cheap failing cars
by MikeHigg
08/03/15 10:37 PM
oil filter cutters
by mjoekingz28
08/03/15 10:07 PM
Need help -- wood stain spilled on truck
by gfh77665
08/03/15 10:03 PM
2011 Honda Accord....thoughts/w
ho owns one?

by gregk24
08/03/15 09:52 PM
Mystik 15/50 SM/CJ4 - 2014 Road King - 2,809 Miles
by alarmguy
08/03/15 09:42 PM
"Core Temp" - CPU Temperature Monitoring
by ZeeOSix
08/03/15 09:34 PM
What could this be a symptom of?
by Rolomoto
08/03/15 09:28 PM
Cubcadet 54" cut kohler 24hp 7000 motor
by dslofti
08/03/15 09:03 PM
Newest Members
ptkdude, Warwagon, SWFL, frodo84, eric4ok
54919 Registered Users
Who's Online
34 registered (bbhero, Bugzii, b1amgm47, Bandito440, Char Baby, Chuckinator, 4 invisible), 555 Guests and 80 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
54919 Members
66 Forums
235372 Topics
3787009 Posts

Max Online: 2862 @ 07/07/14 03:10 PM
Donate to BITOG
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#3332808 - 04/03/14 09:56 PM Honda K series cam galling issue....
gregk24 Offline


Registered: 04/13/13
Posts: 3840
Loc: FL, USA
I was just doing some research on this hoping to find an answer but didnt find one anywhere. Was this problem ever rectified? I know the early K24's had this problem, and even some J35's in the Pilots. Some said a thicker oil was needed, some said it was a problem from the factory. Has anybody experienced this issue? And did Honda FIX the issue or is it still going on as the miles add up.
_________________________
2006 Honda Accord 131K
TGMO 0w20

2005 Chevy Uplander 127K
GTX HM SB 5w30

1992 Ford Ranger 338K
MS5K 10w30

1991 Buick Park Avenue 117K
GTX HM SB 10w30

Top
#3332821 - 04/03/14 10:12 PM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
Brule Offline


Registered: 11/12/12
Posts: 422
Loc: St. Louis, Mo
The cam galling was supposed to be an issue on the K20 of the '02-'05 civic si as well. I sold mine at 232K miles and although it was consuming about a quart per 1000 miles the cams were as good as one could expect at that mileage. I suspect some were getting the cam galling due to oil starvation by letting their oil run low...only my opinion, though.
_________________________
2014 Camry V6 SE (QSUD 5w20)
2003 Civic Si [sold]
2010 Frontier SE 4.0 [gone]
2006 BMW M Coupe [sold]

Top
#3332826 - 04/03/14 10:16 PM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: Brule]
gregk24 Offline


Registered: 04/13/13
Posts: 3840
Loc: FL, USA
Originally Posted By: Brule
The cam galling was supposed to be an issue on the K20 of the '02-'05 civic si as well. I sold mine at 232K miles and although it was consuming about a quart per 1000 miles the cams were as good as one could expect at that mileage. I suspect some were getting the cam galling due to oil starvation by letting their oil run low...only my opinion, though.


That seems like a lot of consumption, even for that mileage. How did you treat the car? And what weight of oil did you use through its life? Syn, dino?
_________________________
2006 Honda Accord 131K
TGMO 0w20

2005 Chevy Uplander 127K
GTX HM SB 5w30

1992 Ford Ranger 338K
MS5K 10w30

1991 Buick Park Avenue 117K
GTX HM SB 10w30

Top
#3332837 - 04/03/14 10:25 PM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
JOD Offline


Registered: 09/10/09
Posts: 3146
Loc: PNW/WA
I'm not sure I've ever actually seen or heard of this on a K24, but with UOA's every 3K I'd think you'd catch it... Otherwise, it will certainly be visible during a valve adjustment (which you should probably have done if you haven't already).

Top
#3332859 - 04/03/14 10:41 PM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: JOD]
gregk24 Offline


Registered: 04/13/13
Posts: 3840
Loc: FL, USA
Originally Posted By: JOD
I'm not sure I've ever actually seen or heard of this on a K24, but with UOA's every 3K I'd think you'd catch it... Otherwise, it will certainly be visible during a valve adjustment (which you should probably have done if you haven't already).


Well, one was performed around 100K at the dealer. So I never saw anything. Im not necessarily concerned about my vehicle, although if its something that still exists I would take precautionary measures.
_________________________
2006 Honda Accord 131K
TGMO 0w20

2005 Chevy Uplander 127K
GTX HM SB 5w30

1992 Ford Ranger 338K
MS5K 10w30

1991 Buick Park Avenue 117K
GTX HM SB 10w30

Top
#3332885 - 04/03/14 11:24 PM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
Brule Offline


Registered: 11/12/12
Posts: 422
Loc: St. Louis, Mo
Originally Posted By: gregk24

That seems like a lot of consumption, even for that mileage. How did you treat the car? And what weight of oil did you use through its life? Syn, dino?


I drove it not exactly gently for the last 112k miles. It was consuming from the start...1.5 qt/1000mi. to 1 qt/1000 by the end. Up to around 185k miles all I ever used was M1 or O'Reilly syn 5w20. After that I experimented with TropArtic, Castrol HM, and even Amsoil with the same results. I was generally running 5w30 at the end...but even that couldn't help with the consumption.
_________________________
2014 Camry V6 SE (QSUD 5w20)
2003 Civic Si [sold]
2010 Frontier SE 4.0 [gone]
2006 BMW M Coupe [sold]

Top
#3332892 - 04/03/14 11:40 PM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: Brule]
01_celica_gt Offline


Registered: 07/29/13
Posts: 1337
Loc: St. Louis, MO
Originally Posted By: Brule
Originally Posted By: gregk24

That seems like a lot of consumption, even for that mileage. How did you treat the car? And what weight of oil did you use through its life? Syn, dino?


I drove it not exactly gently for the last 112k miles. It was consuming from the start...1.5 qt/1000mi. to 1 qt/1000 by the end. Up to around 185k miles all I ever used was M1 or O'Reilly syn 5w20. After that I experimented with TropArtic, Castrol HM, and even Amsoil with the same results. I was generally running 5w30 at the end...but even that couldn't help with the consumption.


"It was by design per honda" I read that consistently on all rsx forums, there was maybe 1 or 2 people who reported low consumption to none, everyone else was 1 qt every 1000 miles, I read about 30 pages on about 3 different forums when I was doing research before buying a car.
_________________________
Red/Black 01 Celica GT 1ZZ-FED(Rebuilt @ 211/144) @ 211/145k
Red 00 Celica GT 1ZZ-FED(Rebuilt @ 129) @ 131k
All Autos!

Top
#3332937 - 04/04/14 02:11 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
Tegger Offline


Registered: 03/20/06
Posts: 1693
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: gregk24
I know the early K24's had this problem, and even some J35's in the Pilots.

How do you know that?

All I find in my extensive Honda documentation (which stops partway through 2010, unfortunately) is TSB 08-032. This TSB discusses a problem that affects only two dozen Canadian-built '08 Civic SI's with K20 engines. In that case, incorrect assembly led to insufficient lubrication, excessive heat buildup, and scoring of the camshaft.
_________________________
2013 Toyota RAV4 - 37,000 miles - Toyota 0W-20, Toyota filter

Top
#3332998 - 04/04/14 06:31 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
Hokiefyd Offline


Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 12941
Loc: North Carolina
You can find a lot of anecdotal information on the internet about this in the K24s. It seems to affect the earlier ones...meaning prior to about 2004. I don't know if Honda made a design or materials change to the camshafts or not. I don't know if it was ever a real problem or not. I do know that mine look peachy. So there's some more anecdotal evidence.
_________________________
Cheers,
Jason

2009 Honda Ridgeline RTL
2005 Acura MDX Touring

Top
#3333047 - 04/04/14 07:32 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
Miller88 Offline


Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 9005
Loc: Onondaga County
Why would someone design an engine to burn oil?
_________________________
'00 Jeep Cherokee
'11 Ford Focus

Top
#3333087 - 04/04/14 08:14 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
propuckstopper Offline


Registered: 03/05/08
Posts: 54
Loc: MB, Canada
Here is a link to my story. To this day, the engine still ticks like a bugger but it hasn't died. It now has around 175,000 miles on the clock.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/1533554/1
_________________________
1965 Pontiac GTO Tri-Power 4-Speed Hardtop (Montero Red)
1968 Pontiac GTO Covertible 400 H.O./Auto (Solar Red)
2000 Lexus ES300
2003 Honda Element AWD

Top
#3333119 - 04/04/14 09:01 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: gregk24]
ARCOgraphite Offline


Registered: 05/17/09
Posts: 9270
Loc: N.H, U.S.A.
So Honda engines aren't all made by the hand of the divine?
_________________________
2014 Nissan Rogue S CVT, OC#2 6627mi-Synpower 5W30+PCX-004 S2000 Filter
2015 Forester 6MT 5Door, OC#3 17139mi-Synpower 5W20+Subaru -15A'Fram'Filter

Top
#3333120 - 04/04/14 09:03 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: propuckstopper]
gregk24 Offline


Registered: 04/13/13
Posts: 3840
Loc: FL, USA
Originally Posted By: propuckstopper
Here is a link to my story. To this day, the engine still ticks like a bugger but it hasn't died. It now has around 175,000 miles on the clock.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/1533554/1


So you never changed out the camshaft? What oil have you used since the issue started? And how long has it been galled? Also, I just listened to your recording of the sound, and it sounds a lot like piston slap. Does the noise go away when warm?


Edited by gregk24 (04/04/14 09:16 AM)
_________________________
2006 Honda Accord 131K
TGMO 0w20

2005 Chevy Uplander 127K
GTX HM SB 5w30

1992 Ford Ranger 338K
MS5K 10w30

1991 Buick Park Avenue 117K
GTX HM SB 10w30

Top
#3333144 - 04/04/14 09:52 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: Miller88]
Hokiefyd Offline


Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 12941
Loc: North Carolina
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Why would someone design an engine to burn oil?


I think that was a probably a mischaracterization of an acceptable oil consumption specification. Most manufacturers' specification is less than 1 quart per 1,000 miles. I think someone misspoke if they claimed that Honda engines are designed to burn 1 quart per 1,000 miles.

If they are, then our two are way out of tolerance. Neither one uses a measurable amount of oil.
_________________________
Cheers,
Jason

2009 Honda Ridgeline RTL
2005 Acura MDX Touring

Top
#3333184 - 04/04/14 10:45 AM Re: Honda K series cam galling issue.... [Re: Hokiefyd]
Miller88 Offline


Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 9005
Loc: Onondaga County
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Why would someone design an engine to burn oil?


I think that was a probably a mischaracterization of an acceptable oil consumption specification. Most manufacturers' specification is less than 1 quart per 1,000 miles. I think someone misspoke if they claimed that Honda engines are designed to burn 1 quart per 1,000 miles.

If they are, then our two are way out of tolerance. Neither one uses a measurable amount of oil.


In a post a few months back, I mentioned a friend of mine that went 11000 miles on valvoline nextgen oil in a 2005 J30. He never checked it and when I checked it for him, it was still at the full line.

Honda makes good engines. That's why I got a bit confused when it was said they designed it to burn oil.
_________________________
'00 Jeep Cherokee
'11 Ford Focus

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >