Has anyone used the Hercules Tour 4.0 Plus?
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My success with private label tires has not been good. They're fine for...oh lets say, the first 10K-15K miles then, you start spending money on tires again because the private label tires don't deliver past that mileage. Other members may disagree!
I have had a couple of vehicles that did OK with priveat label tire but, most of todays vehicles seem to like better tires that hold up closer to their treadlife rating and, perform excellent to very good all the way there, even if they don't get to the treadlife rating(which most don't).
I have had a couple of vehicles that did OK with priveat label tire but, most of todays vehicles seem to like better tires that hold up closer to their treadlife rating and, perform excellent to very good all the way there, even if they don't get to the treadlife rating(which most don't).
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Someone may correct me here, but I thought hercules brand was sourced from Cooper's line of tires.
Either that or they could be part of TBC's brand of tires...
I've seen those tires popping up around here (no pun intended)
Maybe, but even "real" Cooper tires are Chinese garbage now, and this was even before the Apollo takeover.
I agree with Char Baby about the quality of private label tires.
Someone may correct me here, but I thought hercules brand was sourced from Cooper's line of tires.
Either that or they could be part of TBC's brand of tires...
I've seen those tires popping up around here (no pun intended)
Maybe, but even "real" Cooper tires are Chinese garbage now, and this was even before the Apollo takeover.
I agree with Char Baby about the quality of private label tires.
Tommy, if you get a chance to look at one of these tires, look at the DOT numbers and get the code of the tire plant that made these tires...the first two letters or numbers of the DOT line.
http://www.harriger.com/tires.htm
http://www.harriger.com/tires.htm
Originally Posted By: tommygunn
Maybe, but even "real" Cooper tires are Chinese garbage now, and this was even before the Apollo takeover.
I agree with Char Baby about the quality of private label tires.
There is quite abit of your post I disagree with.
1. Most Coopers sold in the usa are made in usa still. Yes some come from china now.
2.Just because its made in china doesnt mean its garbage. Some michelins are made in china also. I'd be disappointed with a chinese tire, but hardly "garbage" Thats linglang, triangle, hengfeng etc.
Maybe, but even "real" Cooper tires are Chinese garbage now, and this was even before the Apollo takeover.
I agree with Char Baby about the quality of private label tires.
There is quite abit of your post I disagree with.
1. Most Coopers sold in the usa are made in usa still. Yes some come from china now.
2.Just because its made in china doesnt mean its garbage. Some michelins are made in china also. I'd be disappointed with a chinese tire, but hardly "garbage" Thats linglang, triangle, hengfeng etc.
China is producing some excellent products. Their audiophile equipment is excellent. They have an active space program. Basically they can make anything as good as the inspector watching it wants it to be. China makes some cheap junk because that's what they want to make in that case. Not because that's the best they can do. We need to understand that and act accordingly.
Originally Posted By: Ken2
China is producing some excellent products. Their audiophile equipment is excellent. They have an active space program. Basically they can make anything as good as the inspector watching it wants it to be. China makes some cheap junk because that's what they want to make in that case. Not because that's the best they can do. We need to understand that and act accordingly.
I want to echo what Ken2 said.
My experience with manufacturing in the US is that if you loosen the specs, production will worsen to fit the loosened specs. By the same token, tightening the specs causes production to improve. But there is a lower limit beyond which the plant can't really improve.
The whole issue boils down to costs. Small improvements don't cost much. Large improvements are pretty expensive.
The bottom line is that there needs to be a reality based rationale behind the specs. - and in the case of stuff manufactured in China, it will take a while for them to realize and achieve what is an acceptable level for the US market. This same thing was said about Japanese products and look where they are today!
China is producing some excellent products. Their audiophile equipment is excellent. They have an active space program. Basically they can make anything as good as the inspector watching it wants it to be. China makes some cheap junk because that's what they want to make in that case. Not because that's the best they can do. We need to understand that and act accordingly.
I want to echo what Ken2 said.
My experience with manufacturing in the US is that if you loosen the specs, production will worsen to fit the loosened specs. By the same token, tightening the specs causes production to improve. But there is a lower limit beyond which the plant can't really improve.
The whole issue boils down to costs. Small improvements don't cost much. Large improvements are pretty expensive.
The bottom line is that there needs to be a reality based rationale behind the specs. - and in the case of stuff manufactured in China, it will take a while for them to realize and achieve what is an acceptable level for the US market. This same thing was said about Japanese products and look where they are today!
I have a friend at work whose husband took her car off to the tire store and came back with these.
I had to laugh, since for little more than what he paid, he could have gotten known-good tires, like the original Contact DWS or the Pure Contacts I bought for the Forester.
For that matter, Michelin had one of their seventy dollar rebate campaigns going at the time and there's nothing worng with a set of Primacy or even Defender tires.
Unless these tires can be had dirt cheap, I'd stick with something known to hold up well.
I had to laugh, since for little more than what he paid, he could have gotten known-good tires, like the original Contact DWS or the Pure Contacts I bought for the Forester.
For that matter, Michelin had one of their seventy dollar rebate campaigns going at the time and there's nothing worng with a set of Primacy or even Defender tires.
Unless these tires can be had dirt cheap, I'd stick with something known to hold up well.
Originally Posted By: tommygunn
Maybe, but even "real" Cooper tires are Chinese garbage now, and this was even before the Apollo takeover.
I agree with Char Baby about the quality of private label tires.
Cooper was never taken over by Apollo. Cooper is still one of two remaining American tire companies...for now.
Maybe, but even "real" Cooper tires are Chinese garbage now, and this was even before the Apollo takeover.
I agree with Char Baby about the quality of private label tires.
Cooper was never taken over by Apollo. Cooper is still one of two remaining American tire companies...for now.
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