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#3203105 - 12/01/13 04:23 PM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: Flareside302]
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Originally Posted By: Flareside302

All oil blenders are able to get the DEXOS testing and specs.. So they can test they're own oils before they submitted them for DEXOS approval.. So just because they didn't have GM test it, doesn't mean it doesn't exceed/meet..


Correct. And since GM doesn't REQUIRE the use of Dexos oils, they simply recommend it, they cannot deny warranty if you don't use it. This is quite different from a lot of Ford's verbiage stating that you must use an oil meeting WSS-xxxxxxx and that of many of the Euro marques that REQUIRE you to use an oil that is approved by them (and hence their approval lists).
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#3203248 - 12/01/13 07:04 PM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: stchman]
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Originally Posted By: stchman


Schaeffer "says" it meets the specs? Has it been tested to indeed mettt dexos specs.

It's kind of like getting pulled over by a cop having no drivers license. You can tell the cop you meet or exceed the expectations of your state's requirements.

It probably does, but does Schaeffer do anything at a greater prioce than licensed Mobil 1 does? No.


How times and users here have changed at BITOG. I highly doubt this would have been questioned about Schaeffer a few years ago at BITOG. Anyone who has dealt with Schaeffer knows that it is a top flight oil. And your worshiping at the holy grail of Mobil is showing.
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#3203271 - 12/01/13 07:37 PM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: stchman]
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GM already screwed me over big time with my Saturn, plus all that stuff that happened in 2008, so everything I have a chance to use something not actually approved by GM, I do so.
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#3203281 - 12/01/13 07:50 PM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: TiredTrucker]
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Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
Anyone who has dealt with Schaeffer knows that it is a top flight oil.

While it may be the case, they've been known to be overly optimistic with some of their claims. For example, the TDS for their 9000 5w-40 oil states: "Supreme 9000 SAE 5W-40 is formulated to meet and exceeds... MB 229.5" spec. But then you look at its NOACK and you know it's not true. It may have been formulated to do XYZ, but it actually doesn't.
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#3203705 - 12/02/13 08:52 AM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: Norm Olt]
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Originally Posted By: Norm Olt
Originally Posted By: cp3
Please forgive me for not shedding a tear for the oil companies costs!

It would be interesting to see if the reaction would be the same if another manufacturer did the same thing. Or what the reaction was like when the API fee schedule was introduced.

7 cents a gallon isn't exactly exorbitant considering the up here you are looking at almost $50 a gallon for regular priced synthetic. It would be interesting to see the fee schedule and how it compares with the API's.


In 2011 Exon-Mobil made approximately $0.07 (YEP: that's 7 cents!) per gallon of gas delivered vs. an AVERAGE of $0.48 in combined fed & state taxes, per gallon.

Those "GREEDY" oil companies! BAD BAD BAD!!!


Well here, I'm paying approximately $0.38 per liter tax on gas but I'm still not sure what that has to do with dexos.

I never said the oil companies were bad or greedy, everyone has a right to make money. And with XOM's profits down almost 20% 2013 Q3 to 2012 Q3 to under $8 billion they clearly know how to.

No one has shown what the royalties actually are, $0.07/gallon may be accurate and it may not. No one has shown what the API royalties are, they may be more or less, I don't know. What I am confident in saying is that if either of these fees put one of the super-majors at risk, they will have no concern in passing that fee on to us, if they haven't already. I have no doubt they will continue on, dexos royalty or no.
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#3203857 - 12/02/13 11:55 AM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: stchman]
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I like Dexos.

I was finally able to convince my dad to switch from conventional to synthetic "because the manual says use dexos-rated oil". Now I know I will inherit a well-maintained engine, rather than a sludged-up mess (last car I got with lots of short trips).

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#3205933 - 12/04/13 10:47 AM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: stchman]
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Scary thought, almost like the commercial where Dad falls off the ladder while cleaning the gutters (but he's not hurt) and all the daughters are concerned about is whether Mom & Dad have "insurance, you know..." for all those pesky final expenses?

They ought to follow it with the "Have you ever thought about a reverse mortgage?" commercial...

Cheers!

p.s. Nuthin' wrong with inheriting a car: I got the 1971 Imperial LeBaron (440") in about 1978 and my brother still has the last car my mom had, a 1983 Coupe deVille (4.1l)
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#3206314 - 12/04/13 04:28 PM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: TiredTrucker]
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Loc: St. Louis, MO
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
Originally Posted By: stchman


Schaeffer "says" it meets the specs? Has it been tested to indeed mettt dexos specs.

It's kind of like getting pulled over by a cop having no drivers license. You can tell the cop you meet or exceed the expectations of your state's requirements.

It probably does, but does Schaeffer do anything at a greater prioce than licensed Mobil 1 does? No.


How times and users here have changed at BITOG. I highly doubt this would have been questioned about Schaeffer a few years ago at BITOG. Anyone who has dealt with Schaeffer knows that it is a top flight oil. And your worshiping at the holy grail of Mobil is showing.


I am not "worshiping" Mobil Oil. My next oil change will be Pennzoil Platinum (got it at a good deal from AAP and Pennzoil gave me a $20 MIR). If I was such a Mobil zealot, I would not even consider Pennzoil.

I am going to use Pennzoil Platinum as it too is dexos licensed.
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#3206321 - 12/04/13 04:34 PM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: OVERKILL]
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Registered: 09/25/13
Posts: 498
Loc: St. Louis, MO
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Flareside302

All oil blenders are able to get the DEXOS testing and specs.. So they can test they're own oils before they submitted them for DEXOS approval.. So just because they didn't have GM test it, doesn't mean it doesn't exceed/meet..


Correct. And since GM doesn't REQUIRE the use of Dexos oils, they simply recommend it, they cannot deny warranty if you don't use it. This is quite different from a lot of Ford's verbiage stating that you must use an oil meeting WSS-xxxxxxx and that of many of the Euro marques that REQUIRE you to use an oil that is approved by them (and hence their approval lists).


Here is a direct clip of my owners manual:

Quote:

Notice: Failure to use the
recommended engine oil or
equivalent can result in engine
damage not covered by the
vehicle warranty. Check with your
dealer or service provider on
whether the oil is approved to the
dexos1 specification.


Sounds like GM requires you to use dexos oil. Since they are the maintainer of my warranty, I will abide by their requirements.

As far as who gets to determine what is equivalent I will leave that up to the manufacturer. I don't think that YOU get to determine what GM can or cannot do

IMO, an automobile is a VERY expensive purchase, why chance it on oil that makes someone "feel" good and not use what the manufacturer recommends?
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#3206325 - 12/04/13 04:39 PM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: stchman]
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: stchman
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Flareside302

All oil blenders are able to get the DEXOS testing and specs.. So they can test they're own oils before they submitted them for DEXOS approval.. So just because they didn't have GM test it, doesn't mean it doesn't exceed/meet..


Correct. And since GM doesn't REQUIRE the use of Dexos oils, they simply recommend it, they cannot deny warranty if you don't use it. This is quite different from a lot of Ford's verbiage stating that you must use an oil meeting WSS-xxxxxxx and that of many of the Euro marques that REQUIRE you to use an oil that is approved by them (and hence their approval lists).


Here is a direct clip of my owners manual:

Quote:

Notice: Failure to use the
recommended engine oil or
equivalent can result in engine
damage not covered by the
vehicle warranty. Check with your
dealer or service provider on
whether the oil is approved to the
dexos1 specification.


Sounds like GM requires you to use dexos oil. Since they are the maintainer of my warranty, I will abide by their requirements.

As far as who gets to determine what is equivalent I will leave that up to the manufacturer. I don't think that YOU get to determine what GM can or cannot do

IMO, an automobile is a VERY expensive purchase, why chance it on oil that makes someone "feel" good and not use what the manufacturer recommends?


Can you post the part where it actually recommends what to use? IE, if they recommend you use an oil that meets Dexos 1 or equivalent, then that's all you need to run: An oil that meets dexos 1 or equivalent. In doing so, you are using what they require wink
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#3206334 - 12/04/13 04:47 PM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: OVERKILL]
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
An oil that meets dexos 1 or equivalent.

What would be a Dexos1 equivalent, just curious?
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#3206344 - 12/04/13 04:52 PM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: blackman777]
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Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 6510
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: blackman777
I like Dexos.

I was finally able to convince my dad to switch from conventional to synthetic "because the manual says use dexos-rated oil". Now I know I will inherit a well-maintained engine, rather than a sludged-up mess (last car I got with lots of short trips).




If an engine is sludged up perhaps properly maintaining the engine could help.
If your dad is running longer than acceptable intervals with conventional why wouldn't he do the same with synthetic.
The more of your posts I read the more I want to read.
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#3206347 - 12/04/13 04:54 PM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: Quattro Pete]
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
An oil that meets dexos 1 or equivalent.

What would be a Dexos1 equivalent, just curious?


Probably an oil like Valvoline that says that it meets the requirements of Dexos 1 but isn't officially licensed? shrug
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#3206350 - 12/04/13 04:58 PM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: OVERKILL]
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
An oil that meets dexos 1 or equivalent.

What would be a Dexos1 equivalent, just curious?


Probably an oil like Valvoline that says that it meets the requirements of Dexos 1 but isn't officially licensed? shrug

Oh, got it. Thanks.
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#3206356 - 12/04/13 05:02 PM Re: Why do people want to complain about dexos? [Re: stchman]
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http://www.gm.ca/media/owners/manuals/2014_Chevrolet_Caprice_Police_en_CA.pdf

Quote:
Specification
Use and ask for licensed engine oils with the dexos1® approved certification mark. Engine oils meeting the requirements for the vehicle should have the dexos1 approved certification mark. This certification mark indicates that the oil has been approved to the dexos1 specification.


Quote:
Failure to use the recommended engine oil can result in engine damage not covered by the vehicle warranty. Check with your dealer or service provider on whether the oil is approved to the dexos1 specification.


Quote:
Viscosity Grade
SAE 5W-30 is the best viscosity grade for the vehicle. Do not use other viscosity grade oils such as SAE 10W-30, 10W-40, or 20W-50. Cold Temperature Operation: In an area of extreme cold, where the temperature falls below &#8722;29°C (&#8722;20°F), an SAE 0W-30 oil may be used. An oil of this viscosity grade will provide easier cold starting for the engine at extremely low temperatures. When selecting an oil of the appropriate viscosity grade, always select an oil of the correct specification. See “Specification” earlier in this section for more information.


Quote:
Engine Oil
Use only engine oil licensed to the dexos1® specification of the proper
SAE viscosity grade. ACDelco dexos1 Synthetic Blend is recommended.


Based on that last statement, a DEXOS 1 licensed product is REQUIRED in this application. Which I think may be different from the verbiage in earlier GM manuals.

This is very similar to what most of the Euro marques do (minus the royalties of course).
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