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#3195496 - 11/23/13 08:58 AM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: The Critic]
The_Eric Online   content


Registered: 03/31/10
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Be careful with car stealers they may advertise $225.00 but when they open it up and they tell you it needs one of these and 2 of those and..... your bill will go way up. most of them are not so honest as we all know.

Sure, telling customers what their car really needs is a dishonest practice?

The coupon clearly states to see the dealer for other important details; anyone who is remotely familiar with a timing belt system will know that a complete service will often require more than just the belt. And don't tell me that this is a bait and switch -- if you are not an educated consumer, that's your own darn fault.

You have a serious, unwarranted bias against dealerships. What makes independent shops so great anyway? They lack the continual factory training, availability of tech line for assistance and are unable to provide the service experience that most discerning clients expect. The dealership is almost always the most consistent, safest choice for a quality repair using the proper parts.


I definitely agree with the first part of your post. It can be pretty frustrating when you tell a customer they need additional work and they look at you with distrust... Like you're trying to rip them off. I suppose being a mechanic is a bit like being a lawyer. Many people never completely trust them and only go when they're in hot water, then complain when they're through...

The second part, I'm not completely in agreement with. The continual lack of factory training to me really only comes in on the newest cars. Good indy shops undergo schooling or look for other ways to stay current on their knowledge. They also have tech resources available to them, including factory hotlines or factory trained hotlines in many cases. All they have to do is pay. The bottom line is, while a dealer can be a safe bet in many cases, good workmanship follows the mechanic, not the name on the building.
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#3195504 - 11/23/13 09:10 AM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: The Critic]
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Registered: 07/23/08
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Some of the people they have working at the stealers are not so great by any means thats for sure

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#3195512 - 11/23/13 09:21 AM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: Nick1994]
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Some dealers are OK: others, not so much. What would make me a little nervous is their need to ADVERTISE their service prices...
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#3195515 - 11/23/13 09:23 AM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: The Critic]
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Registered: 07/23/08
Posts: 5598
Loc: new jersey
When the stealers advertise $200.00 and then there is all the "extras" they "forgot" to mention that brings the grand total up to a whopping $500.00 dollars yes that is dishonest and very stealer like. Some of them are forced to be a little more honest because word travels fast these days and they have very little non warranty business. Now there are exceptions to every rule there are some that a good and honest but on the average everyone knows....

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#3195523 - 11/23/13 09:29 AM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: crazyoildude]
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Registered: 04/20/10
Posts: 1531
Loc: new jersey
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Some of the people they have working at the stealers are not so great by any means thats for sure


Some of the people they have working at the independent shops are not so great by any means thats for sure
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#3195524 - 11/23/13 09:29 AM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: The Critic]
hypervish Offline


Registered: 04/20/10
Posts: 1531
Loc: new jersey
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Be careful with car stealers they may advertise $225.00 but when they open it up and they tell you it needs one of these and 2 of those and..... your bill will go way up. most of them are not so honest as we all know.

Sure, telling customers what their car really needs is a dishonest practice?

The coupon clearly states to see the dealer for other important details; anyone who is remotely familiar with a timing belt system will know that a complete service will often require more than just the belt. And don't tell me that this is a bait and switch -- if you are not an educated consumer, that's your own darn fault.

You have a serious, unwarranted bias against dealerships. What makes independent shops so great anyway? They lack the continual factory training, availability of tech line for assistance and are unable to provide the service experience that most discerning clients expect. The dealership is almost always the most consistent, safest choice for a quality repair using the proper parts.


I think he owns his own engine shop or something, if I remember correctly. He may be trying to attract more customers. lol
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#3196227 - 11/24/13 12:33 AM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: The_Eric]
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Registered: 08/11/12
Posts: 143
Loc: US, Georgia
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
A Toyota dealer in town has a service coupon for $229.99 to change it, what's the catch? Is it a good deal?
It seems very much in line with many ads I've seen locally over the past several years.

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...and ride her for a while.
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Originally Posted By: The_Eric
The continual lack of factory training to me really only comes in on the newest cars. Good indy shops undergo schooling or look for other ways to stay current on their knowledge. They also have tech resources available to them, including factory hotlines or factory trained hotlines in many cases. All they have to do is pay. The bottom line is, while a dealer can be a safe bet in many cases, good workmanship follows the mechanic, not the name on the building.
Well-stated. approved
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#3196526 - 11/24/13 10:28 AM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: Nick1994]
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Registered: 10/05/11
Posts: 351
Loc: McLean, Va.
when doing seals on those engines the oil pump cover o ring should be changed as they leak alot on older engines. I don't see anybody being able to do a toyota 2.2 t belt job with drive belts water pump and three seals and oil pump cover and new coolant for five hundred dollars unless labor is free almost. We use Goodyear belts, Aisin water pumps, Beck Arnley toyota coolant and Fel Pro seals and oring We have done many of these over the years and the 225.00 is to take off old t belt replace with new T belt only and re use everything else which on a 185,000 mile car is not a real good idea.

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#3197432 - 11/25/13 10:05 AM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: Nick1994]
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Registered: 05/18/12
Posts: 1772
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland, USA
The catch is that's only for the belt and if you want the water pump, or any idlers replaced, those are extra, and most likely a lot extra. Call them to find out what's included and post that back here.

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#3197458 - 11/25/13 10:26 AM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: Nick1994]
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Registered: 06/24/04
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Consider doing the job yourself. I changed the belt on our Acura MDX earlier this year and it was a very enjoyable job. A 4-cylinder Camry has got to be even easier. I saved well over $500, and was able to verify the quality of the parts going on it (I used OEM Honda parts).
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#3197499 - 11/25/13 10:47 AM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: zzyzzx]
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Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 1422
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
I called and they said its $229 to replace the timing belt. If I want new tensioners or a drive belt it's just the cost of parts, no added labor. If I want a water pump I have to pay extra for labor and for the parts for it.
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#3197604 - 11/25/13 11:55 AM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: Nick1994]
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Registered: 11/14/08
Posts: 3360
Loc: Phoenix
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
I called and they said its $229 to replace the timing belt. If I want new tensioners or a drive belt it's just the cost of parts, no added labor. If I want a water pump I have to pay extra for labor and for the parts for it.


Sounds pretty reasonable!

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#3198554 - 11/26/13 09:57 AM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: Nick1994]
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Registered: 05/18/12
Posts: 1772
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland, USA
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
I called and they said its $229 to replace the timing belt. If I want new tensioners or a drive belt it's just the cost of parts, no added labor. If I want a water pump I have to pay extra for labor and for the parts for it.


Yes, but they didn't tell you that that they will be charging you around $??? for a timing belt tensioner that you can get off Rock Auto for $35 (used 2000 Camry and gates tensioner pricing). That's assuming that they actually replace it since they can always say that they did and charge you anyway.

What's a Reasonable Cost for Timing Belt Replacement?
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/155-2n...eplacement.html


Edited by zzyzzx (11/26/13 09:57 AM)

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#3198763 - 11/26/13 01:59 PM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: Nick1994]
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Registered: 06/01/11
Posts: 5239
Loc: CT
Just do it yourself, I did a timing belt job about a decade ago on a 1993 Camry and I don't remember it being very challenging.

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#3199157 - 11/26/13 09:33 PM Re: 1997 Toyota Camry Timing belt [Re: The Critic]
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Registered: 08/06/07
Posts: 256
Loc: Seattle WA
The shop part of a car dealership is ultimately under the same management as the car sales and faces similar revenue and profitability targets. Has ANYONE ever found an honest car salesman??? I'm sure they exist, but the other kind are far more prevalent.

Two reasons to stay away from dealerships in my mind; first is the markup. OEM parts are a lot more expensive than aftermarket. Second is the pressure on the service writers and mechanics to drum up extra business. I don't know for sure but I sure suspect they will even go so far as break something to sell you a fix. Case in point, I took my Chrysler minivan to the dealer for a transmission service since it seemed like a reasonable price. they called me back saying someone had over tightened the pipe to the transmission cooler and a new one was $175 since the whole pipe needed to be replace. They showed me a drippy fitting into the radiator. Nope, it'll be fine I told them and besides, they were the only ones who had touched that pipe before during a prior tranny fluid change. I snugged the fitting down when I got home. No leak! I rest my case...
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