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#2349832 - 08/17/11 10:27 PM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: axman]
jorton Offline


Registered: 07/04/03
Posts: 2776
Loc: San Antonio, TX
Did Ford approve 10w-40 for vehicles that are covered under factory warranties? Dealer extended warranties?
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#2349849 - 08/17/11 10:48 PM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: axman]
modularv8 Offline


Registered: 10/20/09
Posts: 694
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: axman
so what i'm understanding it time to pull the phaser off and put a metal dowl pin in or replace the phaser.
let say i let go like ford said to, will it damage anything?! at less will i try to figure out my next step, take it in for a second opinion, gather money and have it done. review the procedure, review my skills do it my shelf (shade tree style), see if i can still get some kind of extend warranties or ditch the truck


It's a tough choice to make. Ford has claimed that it is not a durability issue. I've never seen an instance where it caused problems; more of an annoyance. By the way, other brands with VCT type systems are known to produce this kind of noise (BMW - VANOS, GM, Toyota). You can see these other brands making the same kind of noise on YouTube. Anyway, the following link is a diy documentation with pictures by someone who replaced their cam phasers. You can judge for yourself the skill/time required.

DIY Cam Phaser Replacement
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#2350111 - 08/18/11 09:41 AM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: axman]
cb_13 Offline


Registered: 07/24/11
Posts: 417
Loc: Missouri
My 04 with the 5.4 sounds like it has a 6.0 diesel. Has for the last 30k miles. I plan on driving it that way. If i were to sell it i would fix it first but no plans of selling it. I work at a dealer and I have seen the phasers fail on two trucks an 04 with 150k miles and an 05 with 168k. The 04 had been ticking since 11k and was ran hard its whole life(owner is a friend of mine). The 05 was badly sludged up on tear down. I really don't think anything short of replacing the phaser will make the noise go away (if you have the same condition as my truck does). I cannot get the ssm posted above to pull up on the pts website so maybe ford has repealed it, not sure about that though.


Edited by cb_13 (08/18/11 09:42 AM)

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#2350671 - 08/18/11 08:17 PM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: axman]
axman Offline


Registered: 08/15/11
Posts: 8
Loc: Twincity's MN
thanks for the info, mine sounds like a 6.0 too. right now i think i'll just drive it still not sure what my next move i'll be but that.

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#2670343 - 07/01/12 09:52 AM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: axman]
buster Offline


Registered: 11/16/02
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Loc: NJ
Try Mobil 1 AFE 0w30 but make sure it's the API SN. A lot of people are noticing that it really helps reduce/eliminate certain engine noises. The Honda was quietest on AFE 0w20 and 0w30 over all other oils. SN only though.
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#2670386 - 07/01/12 11:26 AM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: axman]
RF Overlord Offline


Registered: 11/08/03
Posts: 3176
Loc: Cape Cod, MA
It won't hurt to at least try one OCI of the 10W-40 trick. If that does nothing, then switch back to 5W-20 and rock on.
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#2670392 - 07/01/12 11:32 AM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: RF Overlord]
msmoke00 Offline


Registered: 11/09/11
Posts: 153
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
It won't hurt to at least try one OCI of the 10W-40 trick. If that does nothing, then switch back to 5W-20 and rock on.


The 10w-40 is no longer recommended by Ford. I went with 5w30 Penz Ultra and it cured the vct noise. Ultra is on the light end of the 5w30 anyways so no real differences and only less noise.

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#2670542 - 07/01/12 02:53 PM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: axman]
Hemi_Time Offline


Registered: 05/26/12
Posts: 17
Loc: Illinois
A high moly oil like Pennzoil yellow bottle 5w20 might help. Hemi engines respond well with this oil (same/similar to the Mopar OEM oil) in trying to alleviate some valvetrain tick at idle. My truck is quiet so I plan to stick with what works.
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#2671027 - 07/01/12 11:46 PM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: Cujet]
crazyoildude Offline


Registered: 07/23/08
Posts: 5598
Loc: new jersey
yes ford does say use 10w40 in those ticking engines and here in NJ they have to replace the car with a new one if under 2 years old or 24,000 miles if the customer goes the lemon law way and wins which most do...

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#2671265 - 07/02/12 10:01 AM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: axman]
MNgopher Offline


Registered: 09/17/02
Posts: 3000
Loc: Lakeville, MN
You've started down the road and it certianly sounds like a phaser issue. I own an '04 f150, which I bought fully understanding this issue. My engine is noisier than I was previously used to and makes that diesel like sound when fully warmed up in confined spaces. Based on everything I've read and can get my hands on, I'm choosing to do nothing different. No $2000 repair bill that may or may not remove the dieselish sound. Regular oil changes every 4-5000 miles with name brand 5w20 oil and a motorcraft filter. Most cases of failure I've seen have occured when the engine was neglected (lack of oil changes, and debris builds up in the VCT system) or driven hard. My truck appears to fit neither of these scenarios.

Ford did ackowledge the issue and made a change to the phasers sometime in 2005. They continue to indicate it is a noise issue only.

Life is a lot easier once I figured out how to stop worrying so much...

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#2671294 - 07/02/12 10:27 AM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: MNgopher]
BISCUT Offline


Registered: 12/28/11
Posts: 1460
Loc: NewYorkistan
Originally Posted By: MNgopher
You've started down the road and it certianly sounds like a phaser issue. I own an '04 f150, which I bought fully understanding this issue. My engine is noisier than I was previously used to and makes that diesel like sound when fully warmed up in confined spaces. Based on everything I've read and can get my hands on, I'm choosing to do nothing different. No $2000 repair bill that may or may not remove the dieselish sound. Regular oil changes every 4-5000 miles with name brand 5w20 oil and a motorcraft filter. Most cases of failure I've seen have occured when the engine was neglected (lack of oil changes, and debris builds up in the VCT system) or driven hard. My truck appears to fit neither of these scenarios.

Ford did ackowledge the issue and made a change to the phasers sometime in 2005. They continue to indicate it is a noise issue only.

Life is a lot easier once I figured out how to stop worrying so much...


+1 ... I have an 04 of and it makes the sound when warm. Mine has been babied by previous owner with Penz YB 5-20/Fram TG filter and oil change every 3k. I've had it a year and 10k miles (76k now) and go the route of 4k with MC 5-20 and MC filter or P1 filter.

From what I can gather from reading up on a lof of guys with the VCT issues it seems the upper end of the 5.4 3V really like to be taken care of and if you don't, it will show you problems! Those passages seem to get clogged up pretty easily. Of course not all were abused but a lot of them seem to have been neglected.


Edited by BISCUT (07/02/12 10:28 AM)
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#2671908 - 07/02/12 07:23 PM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: crazyoildude]
cb_13 Offline


Registered: 07/24/11
Posts: 417
Loc: Missouri
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
yes ford does say use 10w40 in those ticking engines and here in NJ they have to replace the car with a new one if under 2 years old or 24,000 miles if the customer goes the lemon law way and wins which most do...

They don't anymore, the tsb has been repealed. That's why I couldn't get it to pull up when this was originally posted. I doubt the lemon law is gonna do much good on an 04 model truck. Could you even use it to get a vehicle replaced for a noise anyway? I guess if a person pitches a big enough fit they can get whatever they want.

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#2672054 - 07/02/12 09:17 PM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: cb_13]
antiqueshell Offline


Registered: 03/02/12
Posts: 4337
Loc: chicago, Illinois
Originally Posted By: cb_13
I guess if a person pitches a big enough fit they can get whatever they want.


Not with a vehicle this old they won't.

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#2672155 - 07/02/12 11:17 PM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: cb_13]
crazyoildude Offline


Registered: 07/23/08
Posts: 5598
Loc: new jersey
yes you could use it for noise issues because it states also if the problem makes the resale value go down it qualifies...Check your laws in your state and call a lemon law attorney most of them dont charge the client anything they get paid from the manufacture..
I dont think an 04 would qualify unless there is some kind of litigation already with others

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#2672206 - 07/03/12 01:16 AM Re: oil for ford F150 vct noise? help? [Re: modularv8]
Merkava_4 Offline


Registered: 01/30/07
Posts: 9579
Loc: Clovis, CA
Originally Posted By: modularv8


I read the whole article. That was interesting. Thanks for posting that up.

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