Hermann
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2K, 6K, and 10K oil and filter changes and then after 10K, I would do 7K changes until 200K rolls around on the odometer.
deletedI guess it depends on the vehicle. With some engines a significant amount of old oil is left behind with the previous filter. Why take the chance of contaminating the new oil? Maybe the cartridge or Hengst style filters are different and minimal oil is left behind.
I do know that on some Toyotas there is more of a procedure to change the cartridge filter......i.e. more effort as compared to others cartridge set ups or spin on filters. From my simple POV I am just trying to understand the logic of not changing it with the oil.
I would also be using a Toyota branded filter while the car is still under warranty.
The filter and oil plug are very easy to get to on that vehicle.My question is why? Is the filter that costly or that much of a hassle to change? Why not change it too at 5K?
Penny wise and pound foolish are many.Lots of differing opinions, as usual. I'm actually a bit surprised at dnewton3, who normally seems to favor practical return on investment type logic. Here, he admits no data to substantiate early OCI on new engines, yet he chooses his comfort level of doing shorter initial oil/filter changes.
Approaching old age, I found that if I am debating something like this, I just spend the $8 and put the anxiety to rest. Some people play golf, others shoot literally thousands of ammo rounds annually. What's the deal about stressing over an extra $8 filter/$25 oil once or twice a year on a $40,000 vehicle?
Read some owners manuals of cars, particularly European makes from the 70's or 80s, maybe even later, and they will often recommend the first oil change at 1,000 or even 500 miles to remove the wear particles generated during break-in. Engines are still made of steel and aluminum so I see no reason to deviate from that practice now.Here, he admits no data to substantiate early OCI on new engines, yet he chooses his comfort level of doing shorter initial oil/filter changes.
You think that modern engine manufacturing results in similar assembly/wear-in debris as 40-50 years ago?Read some owners manuals of cars, particularly European makes from the 70's or 80s, maybe even later, and they will often recommend the first oil change at 1,000 or even 500 miles to remove the wear particles generated during break-in. Engines are still made of steel and aluminum so I see no reason to deviate from that practice now.
Just because the manufacturing process is more automated with robots doing more of the assembly, you still have the same pistons and rings sliding up and down in cylinders of aluminum or steel, same as 50 years ago.You think that modern engine manufacturing results in similar assembly/wear-in debris as 40-50 years ago?
Or foolishly wasteful without evidence or cause... That said to each their own....Penny wise and pound foolish are many.
Saving ~$50 every 6 months or so is not really meaningful financially. Most people are better off paying more attention to spending less on interest payments, taxes, and insurance than worrying about penny pinching on commodities in general. Furthermore, people are generally better off thinking more about how to earn money than save it. The entire attitude of trying to save money is not one that tends to lead to wealth. You can only save what you have, but what you can earn is essentially limitless.Or foolishly wasteful without evidence or cause... That said to each their own....
That's not my approach or many others on here. Has nothing to do with cheapness.Saving ~$50 every 6 months or so is not really meaningful financially. Most people are better off paying more attention to spending less on interest payments and insurance than worrying about penny pinching on commodities in general. Furthermore, people are generally better off thinking more about how to earn money than save it. The entire attitude of trying to save money is not one that tends to lead to wealth. You can only save what you have, but what you can earn is essentially limitless.
I do not disagree but I also do not really follow how what you're saying relates to what I have said. We're on different wavelengths.That's not my approach or many others on here. Has nothing to do with cheapness.
HPL and Amsoil users etc. are not usually cheapskates . It's about not being obsessed to the point of being wasteful and anxious over frivolous nonsense.
Engine design, engineering , proper and clean assembly as well as QC. mean more for engine durability than obsessive oil changes to get your jollies off.
You started your last post out like longer OCIs were a cheapness maneuver because saving $50. Yada yada yada and that is what I addressed and gathered from your post.I do not disagree but I also do not really follow how what you're saying relates to what I have said. We're on different wavelengths.
My point is simply that there is no financial reason to stress over the trivial amounts of money people quibble over with respect to oil. 5k, 10k, bottom shelf, boutique. It doesn't really matter in a financial sense because there's usually much higher order of magnitude things to pay attention to financially that move the needle more in most people's lives. An extra $50-100 once or twice a year should be next to meaningless for overall financial planning.You started your last post out like longer OCIs were a cheapness maneuver because saving $50. Yada yada yada and that is what I addressed and gathered from your post.
Could I have misread your intent? Certainly...
That said I have no problem with that. I do think many oil obsessed people here need to get an EV and that way they can obsess over constantly topping off the charge. Plus you won't get dirty doing that.My point is simply that there is no financial reason to stress over the trivial amounts of money people quibble over with respect to oil. 5k, 10k, bottom shelf, boutique. It doesn't really matter in a financial sense because there's usually much higher order of magnitude things to pay attention to financially that move the needle more in most people's lives. An extra $50-100 once or twice a year should be next to meaningless for overall financial planning.
I am not telling anyone how often they should change their oil and I am not saying that people should always do short oil intervals. I am saying the financial aspect of it is usually fairly negligible in the grand scheme of things.