Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks

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Some of the nation's biggest oil companies are looking at permanently reducing how much gasoline and diesel fuel they make, a move that analysts say would almost certainly trigger higher prices for drivers.

Energy companies are suffering huge losses from refining because of slumping gasoline use -- a product of the economic downturn and changing consumer habits and preferences. Energy experts say refining cutbacks have begun and will accelerate as corporations strive for profits.

Major refiners have been circumspect about their plans, saying that they are considering options that could include closing refineries, selling parts of their operations, laying off workers and slashing spending.

"Refineries will have to be closed," said Fadel Gheit, senior energy analyst with Oppenheimer & Co. "Unless this excess capacity is permanently shuttered, a recovery in refining margins is unsustainable."

This week Chevron Corp. launched an overhaul of its fuel-making and retailing business with a plan to cut at least 2,000 jobs, put a refinery in Wales up for sale and take a hard look at its Hawaii refinery.

Royal Dutch Shell said it was reviewing its refinery operations with the idea of keeping only those with the best growth potential. Sunoco Inc. has sold one plant and said last month that its previously idled Eagle Point, N.J., refinery was being shut down permanently.

Valero Energy Corp., the nation's largest refiner, last year closed a Delaware refinery, laying off 500 workers, and mothballed a plant in Aruba.

"We're actually assessing the entire East Coast, whether we should be there or not," Valero Chief Executive William R. Klesse told executives at a recent energy conference.

Energy industry executives say they are facing up to what was previously inconceivable: that the nation's appetite for petroleum products may never return to levels seen earlier in the decade, even if a strong economic recovery takes hold.

"None of us will sell more gasoline than we did in 2007," Tony Heyward, group CEO for oil giant BP, said during a recent earnings teleconference.

For motorists, talk of refinery cuts promises to be anything but cheap. It's feared that leaner supplies will translate into higher pump prices punctuated by expensive spikes when operations are disrupted by weather or other events.

Avid travelers Peter and Kathie Woelper of Squaw Valley, Calif., find that a sobering prospect.

The Woelpers -- he's 71, she's 70 -- live on a fixed income. The couple just returned from a drive to the Vancouver Olympic Games in their 1997 Toyota RAV4, which gets 27 miles per gallon. Trips like that will become rare should gas prices soar.

"There's no reason why gasoline should be as expensive as it is right now, and we are down to a panic situation, money-wise," Peter Woelper said.

Consumer advocates want regulators to probe refinery closures and consolidations that slash supply.

"We know from internal documents from the last time we had a situation like this, in the 1990s, that there was an intentional strategy on the part of some companies to drive up profit margins by shuttering or closing refineries," said Tyson Slocum, director of Public Citizen's energy program.

"Consumer prices will be acutely sensitive to any significant change in refining capacity."

Judy Dugan, research director for Santa Monica-based advocacy group Consumer Watchdog, said that "closing or selling refineries to others who would limit production would be a serious case of corporate irresponsibility."

Refiners say they're merely trying to improve profits so they can keep making gasoline.

"There have been dozens of investigations by state and federal agencies, including some with subpoena power, and not one has ever found evidence of any conspiracy or collusion to manipulate prices," said Tupper Hull, spokesman for the Western States Petroleum Assn., an industry trade group.

f gasoline doesn't seem particularly cheap these days, that's because operators are keeping a tight lid on production; U.S. and European refineries are running at the lowest rate in more than a decade, Gheit said.

Still, compared with demand, there are too many refineries, he said, and an estimated 3 million barrels a day of excess capacity in the U.S. and Europe must disappear to achieve sustained improvement in earnings.

That would be like eliminating 10 refineries worldwide the size of the 270,000-barrel-a-day Chevron facility in El Segundo -- and its 1,000-plus jobs. Other estimates of excess refinery capacity are even higher.

Valero Energy provides a window into the industry's changing fortunes.

Five years ago, Wall Street loved the San Antonio firm. Valero had seen a fivefold increase in share price in 2005, and fourth-quarter earnings for that year were the company's best ever.

Now Valero finds itself in a much different position. It was nearly $2 billion in the red at the end of last year, and its fourth-quarter results were among the company's worst ever, with losses of about $1.4 billion.

The recession contributed to declining fuel demand. But in that same period, vast -- some think permanent -- changes happened.

Americans drove less and switched to vehicles that got better mileage or didn't use gasoline at all. They used mass transit in record numbers. Baby boomers began retiring and stopped commuting. And gasoline gained even more of something that didn't have to be refined from oil -- ethanol.

Few in the refining industry saw what was happening. The belief, particularly after hurricanes Katrina and Rita temporarily devastated the Gulf Coast petroleum network in 2005, was that more refineries were needed.

In the wake of the twin hurricanes, the average U.S. price of regular gasoline jumped nearly 18% to $3.07 a gallon -- a high for the year. In 2008, Hurricane Ike's disruption of refinery operations briefly took prices above $5 a gallon in some parts of the nation.

Critics complained that no new U.S. refinery had been built since 1976, leaving the country's gasoline supplies vulnerable. In fact, between 1998 and 2009, U.S. refining capacity increased by 2.2 million barrels a day, to 17.67 million barrels a day, with the addition of equipment and with improved processes at existing facilities, Energy Department data show.

Refiners raked in big profits from 2003 to 2006, but "by 2007, it was largely over," said Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy information firm in Wall, N.J.

"Now, along with very weak demand numbers for gasoline, everything points to biofuels getting a larger and larger share in the future."

Some people worry that refiners may cut so much that price surges will become inevitable.

"The question is whether they are going to over-adjust," said Phil Flynn, an energy analyst for PFGBest Research. "Probably, they will."

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For all of 2009, Exxon Mobil's annual profit fell 56 percent to $19.42 billion, from a U.S. record $44.06 billion in 2008
 
So in a nutshell, all those evil SUV-drivers were sucking up gas and driving up the prices. The economy tanked, SUV's became unfashionable and saving gas was in. So now the prices will be driven up due to lack of supply due to lack of demand......
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Maybe I am a Capitalist, but I would seem to look at this another way, that if gas was cheaper and I produced more, more people would drive more and although my product was cheaper, I would sell more of it and people would not be as controlled as they would like to be to use it, they are looking at selling less for more, than selling alot for less. I think they would make more if people would travel more than less. I am really surprised one company doesnt break ranks and cut everyone elses throat and sell cheaper gas. It just tells me all the companies are in collabration to make as much profit with as little production as possible, problem with this is it weens the addict off its drug and poses the threat of alternate means of transportation and cuts thier profit more. Make the gas more obtainable and cheaper and the people will travel more, buy bigger engines and use more. I think this is a stupid approach they are taken, but Iam sure it is somehow "green" driven and the lack of cooperation for the oil companies to obtain oil resources from easy accesses, such as here in the United states.
 
Originally Posted By: opus1
So in a nutshell, all those evil SUV-drivers were sucking up gas and driving up the prices. The economy tanked, SUV's became unfashionable and saving gas was in. So now the prices will be driven up due to lack of supply due to lack of demand......
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Yeah, those nasty SUV's. I'm so sick of that argument. People hate them so much that my plant that makes GM's large SUV's (all of them: Chevy, GMC and Cadillac plus the Hybrids) has been working MAX OVERTIME since last August to build them and we are still not meeting demand. The market has spoken and they want SUV's.
 
Yeah it sounds like to me that they have already priced gas too high and hurt demand. Their solution? Cut supply even more so the prices rise more and demand is cut even more. just a couple years ago the story line was that there was not enough refinery capacity. Craziness. They keep manipulating supply and demand to squeeze more from the public.
 
Originally Posted By: willix
What do you expect when the the cry baby pants libs get to drive.


True but aren't the Wallstreet and buisness guys wanting to cut capacity? Lib or conservative, 6 of one and half dozen of the other as far as I'm concerned.
 
There is nothing that sickens me more these days then this whole gas price issue. Everyone blames everyone else and says something different, the government is useless at protecting us from price gouging and rape at the pumps, and it goes on and on.

The economy crashed BECAUSE of energy prices. While there were many aspects to the big crash the main driving factor behind it all, in one way or another, was high energy prices which made living too expensive and thus the dominos started to fall when people could not pay their bills. It exposed weak areas that would not have come up if not for people going broke just filling their tanks, buying food, and paying for heat and lights.

Energy prices finally started to fall as a result. Because demand fell so sharply the refiners had to cut back on capacity to shorten supply because the speculators weren't speculating and supplies were building which killed their record billions in profits. Supply has always been manipulated.

Now the speculators think the economy is going to turn around( why is beyond me - NO signs of it my my state )so they are taking crude and refined goods to unreasonable heights( again ). The problem with that is the economy is NOT getting better and demand is NOT rising yet they continue to ram prices up on the market. I wonder what world they are living in at times? Even if the economy has turned for the better a return to those ridiculous highs for energy prices will just kill it again.

Now we have the refiners saying they will eliminate capacity which will drive prices even higher and god forbid things actually do improve and demand does pick up with even fewer refineries to deal with it. They will have gas at $10 a gallon then.

Someone, somewhere, better start waking up because the WORLD, not just the US, depends on gas to survive. The worst thing that ever happened was when crude and refined goods were placed on the market in the early 80's. It just stuck a middle man in there who has too much control to drive prices wherever they want. We need to go back to fixed contracts between the crude suppliers and the refiners who then should sell direct to the distributors. Take the markets out of it completely.

IF they did that then all this gas the refiners have in their tanks they can't sell( because it is too $$$ ) would be priced at a reasonable rate and people would drive more and they could move it. Unfortunately, the crude prices are too high and so is the price of refined gas on the amrket which leads to unreasonably high prices at the pumps.

If they do shutter some refineries it will be the death toll for our country down the road in time. They should not be allowed to get away with it.
 
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This is ridiculous. There needs to be a federal investigation of these oil companies... Exxon in particular. Notice how high gas prices are, and also notice most of them are turning huge profits. US Govt needs to give them a swift kick in the rear to get prices down.
 
It just shows you another tip of the iceberg situation. All of that house of cards is leveraged and operates on next to non-existent margins.

The rhetoric doesn't quite fit though. When prices spiked at one point, the rhetoric was the refining capacity was peaked due to no new capacity being added in over 20 years. If that industry initiated rhetoric was true at that time, then we would not be reverting to pre-2007 demand figures, but pre-1990 (more like 1985) figures.


..but has our import of liquid energy decreased? Has our importation of finished product(s) decreased, and why can't we ("what's this we "stuff", whiteman") compete with those exporters that we imported from previously on the global market?
 
I'd say this is all the more reason to move REALLY close to where you work, lol...

But seriously that's total [censored] that they can purposely shut a few refinerys to make the price skyrocket... i guess that's the free enterprise economy at work..
 
I agree that the key to the economy recovery is to cheapen cost of fuel. As long as they keep gasoline/diesel high, people have no extra money to spend. I think this should be paramont in attempting to fix, alot more important than the current issues they seem to be worrying about, without getting polictical. Just cutting Ethanol would be a big improvement in costs. Ethanol doesnt provide any +s in my mind and costs us double in buying it at the pumps and subsidies we pay from our taxes. I cant see any change in the near future since that are current in-powers like the fact we use less fuel and conserve. Problem is conservation and high costs also produce stagnant results in the economy.
 
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
It just tells me all the companies are in collabration to make as much profit with as little production as possible, problem with this is it weens the addict off its drug and poses the threat of alternate means of transportation and cuts thier profit more. Make the gas more obtainable and cheaper and the people will travel more, buy bigger engines and use more.


If oil were infinite, your plan would make sense.

But it's not, so maybe they are trying to maximise the profits from a finite resource ?
 
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
This is ridiculous. There needs to be a federal investigation of these oil companies... Exxon in particular. Notice how high gas prices are, and also notice most of them are turning huge profits. US Govt needs to give them a swift kick in the rear to get prices down

There was an investigation, remember? CON-gress found that there were no irregularities and the last round of gouging was the market acting normally.

And GMBoy, for the record, I never bought into the "evil SUV" argument.....
 
Originally Posted By: Brenden
I'd say this is all the more reason to move REALLY close to where you work, lol...

But seriously that's total [censored] that they can purposely shut a few refinerys to make the price skyrocket... i guess that's the free enterprise economy at work..
I'd love to but can't swing the $600,000+ prices of condos within walking distance.
 
Originally Posted By: opus1
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
This is ridiculous. There needs to be a federal investigation of these oil companies... Exxon in particular. Notice how high gas prices are, and also notice most of them are turning huge profits. US Govt needs to give them a swift kick in the rear to get prices down.
There was an investigation, remember? CON-gress found that there were no irregularities and the last round of gouging was the market acting normally.

And GMBoy, for the record, I never bought into the "evil SUV" argument.....

Who owns congress?????? hint the largest $$$ contributors.
 
Next made in China gas that clogs your injectors permanently so you have to by new made in China injectors that don't work, all at the same price or higher as the formerly made in USA product
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