Originally Posted By: Mystic
If somebody does not use a product, why are they so interested in it?
I'm interested in it for about the same reason dave5358 is. Zmax went through a FTC lawsuit and even the claim people here say is impossible survived the lawsuit. For me, to come through a lawsuit with a Govt agency and still be able to make that claim says a lot. While some wording of claims were changed, about the only thing missing is the percentages.
Originally Posted By: dave5358
BTW, I'm not defending Zmax. I could care less about the product, except as I noted above. I am certainly defending the efforts Zmax made to defend their product against what IMHO was an overreaching and mean-spirited FTC attack. And, what IMHO is a stupid and mean-spirited BITOG attack. It is amusing to me how few BITOG users can grasp the difference between the two.
Hey BITOG folks, Zmax made their case. Live with it.
My point as well. Zmax spent a lot of money defending its product and what they claim it does. That means something. If it didn't, Zmax wouldn't have spent so much money defending it.
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: dave5358
. And... Zmax won.
Being compelled to make a million dollar restitution is not a victory for Oil-Chem.
But they only had to spend about 10% of that money. Remember, I called and asked about that. It seems a very tiny number of people had a problem with the product and the old claims. If you want to say it is anything different than that, you prove it. I took my time to call and all you do is post your opinion here.
You seem to forget again, Zmax won the fact it could still make the claims it does. One of which really crawls under your skin and a few others. You say it can't happen but Zmax was able to survive a lawsuit and still make that claim. Yes, they won the right to make those claims with even the FTC unable to prove any different. So far, not one person has stepped up to the plate to proven otherwise. As I said before, the only reason I can come up with that no one here will share their so called "facts" with the FTC is because they don't have any. I'm pretty sure filing a complaint with the FTC is free. Since a very few are so convinced, why not share that info and really make a difference? Oh, you can't otherwise you would have a very long time ago. After all, the best way to set the record straight with Zmax would be to force them to change their claims, which you know you can't so you don't or won't even try.
So, here we sit, Zmax still selling its product and still making that claim because the people with the so called "facts" just want to post here instead of really proving their point where it matters most. After all, Zmax proved theirs, where it counts most, in court and to the FTC.