Gun control/being safe out there....

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Originally Posted By: Benito
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: Benito
Originally Posted By: Astro14
There are some great ways to address this tragedy, like Eddie Eagle, like responsible gun ownership, without trampling the rights of responsible, legal owners.



Well Canada seems to have some regulations around what "responsible gun ownership" means. Maybe we can learn from them and not just Eddie Eagle.


We have some serious regulations. Some, like NFA, have been with us for 80+ years.

But they are meaningless without enforcement.

Let's try enforcement first, let's punish the criminals before going after people who, by definition, are already obeying the law.


I'm all for enforcement of existing regulations.

I'm just interested in what OVERKILL said about what sounded like common sense regulations in Canada on responsible storage - which would also need enforcing. Maybe we can save 8 year old girls from being shot or maybe her life doesn't matter because she was poor and from a trailer park?


Maybe parents should actually act like parents. Sure, let the government enforce how we store personal belongings. how you will store your vehicle, etc.

[censored] what's next?
No more blending of your own oils at home? You must run the viscosity the manufacturer recommends? The horror.
 
Originally Posted By: rsylvstr
Maybe parents should actually act like parents. Sure, let the government enforce how we store personal belongings. how you will store your vehicle, etc.

The safe storage rules seem harmless enough, of course, and at first glance make sense. But, in the real world, things are different. Safe storage hampers people who specifically don't need safe storage, like someone who's simply a trapper and lives on his own. It's not helpful at the farm, either.

And, yes, safe storage can save lives. But, most of the time an unsafe storage charge is laid up here, it's because something has already gone terribly wrong.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
But, a mass shooting brings out a nice, straightforward dichotomy for the media of guns good versus guns bad, and that's easier than real journalism. After all, the boilerplate for shooting incidents and the talking head aftermath (on both sides of the debate) has long been perfected.


Post. Of. The. Year.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: rsylvstr
Maybe parents should actually act like parents. Sure, let the government enforce how we store personal belongings. how you will store your vehicle, etc.

The safe storage rules seem harmless enough, of course, and at first glance make sense. But, in the real world, things are different. Safe storage hampers people who specifically don't need safe storage, like someone who's simply a trapper and lives on his own. It's not helpful at the farm, either.

And, yes, safe storage can save lives. But, most of the time an unsafe storage charge is laid up here, it's because something has already gone terribly wrong.


Which is thankfully why our safe storage rules have provisions for those scenarios. If you are a farmer and have to deal with pest control, you can have a gun "at the ready" for that very purpose.

So Tim in Toronto has to keep his guns safely stored, which prevents accidents. And Joe on the farm can keep that .22 behind the door for the varmints.

It's a pretty well thought-out setup IMHO.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL


Which is thankfully why our safe storage rules have provisions for those scenarios. If you are a farmer and have to deal with pest control, you can have a gun "at the ready" for that very purpose.

So Tim in Toronto has to keep his guns safely stored, which prevents accidents. And Joe on the farm can keep that .22 behind the door for the varmints.

It's a pretty well thought-out setup IMHO.

What happens when a two legged varmint calls on Tim? Doesn't sound well though out at all.
 
Originally Posted By: JetStar
Just read yesterday that one of our presidential candidates would support a mandatory buyback program, similar to Australia.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/.../?intcmp=hplnws

Not that I consider Fox new a beacon of journalism, but this concerns me.


Not surprised....the left has wanted gun confiscation for years. They are now just pimping every shooting to try to sway more moderates to their thinking.

I like the wording "Mandatory Buyback" much softer than "Confiscation" but if she tries....it will be the end of her career. The backlash will just be to great.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Which is thankfully why our safe storage rules have provisions for those scenarios. If you are a farmer and have to deal with pest control, you can have a gun "at the ready" for that very purpose.

You still better watch it if kids are around and something goes wrong, because you will get prosecuted. Of course, self-defence doesn't even play into things, unfortunately.
 
Originally Posted By: hatt
What happens when a two legged varmint calls on Tim? Doesn't sound well though out at all.

You're supposed to dial 911 or have a panic room or something similar.
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: hatt
What happens when a two legged varmint calls on Tim? Doesn't sound well though out at all.

You're supposed to dial 911 or have a panic room or something similar.
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Does the NO GUNS ALLOWED sign go on the front door or the panic room door?
 
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL


Which is thankfully why our safe storage rules have provisions for those scenarios. If you are a farmer and have to deal with pest control, you can have a gun "at the ready" for that very purpose.

So Tim in Toronto has to keep his guns safely stored, which prevents accidents. And Joe on the farm can keep that .22 behind the door for the varmints.

It's a pretty well thought-out setup IMHO.

What happens when a two legged varmint calls on Tim? Doesn't sound well though out at all.


I can get my 12 gauge out of the cabinet in about 10 seconds. But my kids can't get at it. Again, pretty well thought-out. Safe storage is exactly that, storage that is safe. Having a loaded handgun in a nightstand drawer while convenient to deal with break-ins is not "safe" if you have young children.

The gun doesn't need to be locked up, it just needs to be disabled. If you had a fingerprint trigger lock, that would be sufficient. Of course this all applies to long guns, our handgun storage laws basically preclude them from being used for self defence.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Which is thankfully why our safe storage rules have provisions for those scenarios. If you are a farmer and have to deal with pest control, you can have a gun "at the ready" for that very purpose.

You still better watch it if kids are around and something goes wrong, because you will get prosecuted. Of course, self-defence doesn't even play into things, unfortunately.


That's where the common sense side of it comes into play. If you are buddy on the farm, obviously the gun would need to be accessible but perhaps you change how/where it is stored if there are kids present.

And I guess the self defence side of it depends on how you look at it. There's no situation where the storage requirements for a hand gun make them a reasonable choice for home defence. The lock-up requirements are simply too stringent.

HOWEVER

With something like a shotgun or rifle you can have it "ready to go" with a loaded mag sitting right beside it in the cabinet. If that cabinet is right by your bed, under your bed...etc and easy to open, then having access to it if the need arrises is fine, and, under our laws, acceptable. Yes, there will of course be an investigation if you use it in a home invasion, but if the circumstances show that its usage was justified, you'll be fine. There was a recent case of this only about 45 minutes from me where an armed intruder invaded a house and was shot dead with a 12-gauge. No charges levied against the homeowner as the force used was deemed reasonable to the threat presented.
 
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
It is MAINLY a gun issue. Not a mental health issue. THAT is used as an argument every time, IMO. If the mentally ill didn't have such easy access to guns the possibility of them taking so many innocents with them will go down.
Sure there are other means, but not as easy as this.

Disarming people in this country is not going to happen. CONTROL is what is needed:

-Types of guns CIVILIANS are allowed to own. (based on PROVEN type of need / use - yearly checks if special need still exists)
-NUMBER of guns, say you own 1 gun for 5 yrs and if you're still being a responsible gun owner and everything seems ok still, THEN you get to apply to own ONE MORE gun.
-AMOUNT of ammunition that CIVILIANS can buy at ONE time.
-YEARLY MANDATORY checks of background, mental health, criminal activity etc. If you don't show up, your permit and gun(s) are GONE.

These countries don't have mentally ill people or what?




Which of these countries allow 12 million undocumented illegals to walk in at will and do nothing about it. Which ones allow seriously mentally ill people to walk around in public and then protect and hide their medical records with HIPPA laws? Which ones give undocumented non citizens drivers licenses and thereby make it easy for them to purchase weapons over the counter by simply lying on a form 4473?

Just wondering...but it sounds like you are suffering form hoplophobia.
 
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Originally Posted By: Doog
Which of these countries allow 12 million undocumented illegals to walk in at will and do nothing about it. Which ones allow seriously mentally ill people to walk around in public and then protect and hide their medical records with HIPPA laws? Which ones give undocumented non citizens drivers licenses and thereby make it easy for them to purchase weapons over the counter by simply lying on a form 4473?


Do you have the numbers for homicide rate by firearm for those people?
 
Originally Posted By: Al

Where it gets sticky is that the 2nd Amendment doesn't mandate a weapon may be carried outside of your abode.



”The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.”
George Washington
 
Originally Posted By: Benito
Originally Posted By: Doog
Which of these countries allow 12 million undocumented illegals to walk in at will and do nothing about it. Which ones allow seriously mentally ill people to walk around in public and then protect and hide their medical records with HIPPA laws? Which ones give undocumented non citizens drivers licenses and thereby make it easy for them to purchase weapons over the counter by simply lying on a form 4473?


Do you have the numbers for homicide rate by firearm for those people?


I am not going to have this discussion with you until after you get treatment for your hoplophobia. Your posts are too unusual.
 
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Originally Posted By: buster

I think these comments are far too simplistic though. In 1776 people had muskets not assault rifles. Plus, societies change. What was good then is not necessarily good now. That's just common sense.

It goes beyond self-defense.

Liberty and freedom are all relative.


”The Constitution shall never be construed... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”
Samuel Adams

Pretty clear to me....Never is Never
 
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Originally Posted By: buster
We have many people in this so called "developed" country that lack a developed mind. We still have a hefty population that rejects scientific thinking and thinks evolution is bogus, the earth was created in 7 days, literally, and climate change is bogus.


“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.”
George Washington
 
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