Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Just give up, dude. He's an apologist and will defend bad cops to the end...to him, NOTHING a cop does is over the line.
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Yeah, you're right. At this point the thread is just going round and round.
You guys are a nuts. You clearly can't read and understand what you just read and you compound your foolishness by just making stuff up about what other people say and put it out there like it is truth. Calling me an "apologist" is just flat out inaccurate and ludicrous.
Not once in this thread have I apologized for, defended, or excused this Offier over what he did. Not once. I simply don't feel they are all bad like Jaraxle and I have said I am glad they are there when needed just a phone call away. I am sorry, but I am too intelligent to blame an entire body of people, and despise them all, because of the actions of a comparative handful of others. If you guys were honest I believe you would admit the same( at least that they are there to help if needed ).
I suggest to anyone who might for one second believe Jaraxle's vitriolic rhetoric about me being an "apologist" go back through my posts in this thread and find one time I was an "apologist" and quote it directly. And do not start quoting things such as I don't think the young man deserves a settlement or where I put part of the responsibility for this on him because of the bad choices he made. Saying I don't believe the Police pension should be raided to pay a law suit, in effect penalizing innocent Officers, is not me being an "apologist" either. Those things are called being rational and reasonable.
I defy the likes of Jaraxle and Trajan, who are assaulting my character here, to post quotes were I directly defend what the Officer did or where I say it is ok this happened? Post quotes where I defend Polcie brutality or enforcement at any cost?
THAT would make me an apologist. Nothing I have said here does. Good luck with that BTW. Wanting the young man to face up to his share of responsibility doesn't make me an "apologist" either.
You know what, I an going to save everyone some time and I am going to go back myself and quote the things I have said about this Officer and what he did below. Remember now these are things I
ACTUALLY have said about the Officer and not the delusional stuff Jaraxle and some others think they have seen. The 1st quote is from the
very 1st post I made( I enter at the last post on page 3 )where I start out in this thread arguing with another member that what happened to the young man
WAS in fact excessive force and that the Officer was wrong.
THIS is what I have said...
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
"The officer deserves not only a reprimand but charges brought against him IMO. Just no reason for such an act."
"in no way do I excuse the Officer. I specifically said he deserved a reprimand and that he should face charges because what he did was pay back for the young man running earlier. I also said the young man was surrendering. The Officer used excessive force and I said so with no doubt about it."
"The Officer deserves to face the consequences of his actions too don't get me wrong. I do not condone nor excuse what he did in any way shape or form."
"I think the Officer was about as wrong as it can get when he kicked the young man in the teeth. He deserves to face charges and he should never be allowed to be an LEO again( anywhere )."
"The Officer deserves to be charged and go to jail for the assault/excessive force. Also, he should never again be allowed to be an LEO anywhere. He shouldn't even be allowed to be a Security Guard at a playdough factory."
"At no time have I defended the Officer for what he did. He was wrong and should face charges himself and go to jail. He also should not be allowed to work in the Law Enforcement field ever again. End of story."
"Yes, the Officer stomping the young man in the face was deliberate. No argument from me hence my many comments that he deserves to face charges and jail time."
"I agree with you that the Officer is not the judge and jury. I have never defended his actions. Why must you and others keep throwing what he did at me as if I am defending it. I am not. He was wrong and deserves to go to jail for it. We ALL agree the Officer was wrong so there is no need to keep hammering me about how what he did is wrong."
"For about the millionth time no one is defending the Officer or saying what he did was right. These continued comments from you and others about him "not being judge and jury" or the continued attempt to repeat the obvious about what the Officer did being wrong seem to imply I somehow defend his actions. LISTEN CAREFULLY...the Officer was WRONG and he should NOT have stomped the young man. I do not dispute that at all and have not at any point in the thread. You don't have to tell me the Officer was wrong. I AGREE with you."
"Do we not all agree that the Officer was wrong, had no justification for stomping the young man, and should face charges? I believe we do so why do so many keep bringing that part up as if I don't agree? I know it is part of the whole story so it comes into the discussion but I agree 100% that what he did was wrong. I do not dispute that at all so there is no need to keep trying to make me see it that way. There is no need to keep talking about judge and jury and pointing out the wrong done by the Officer. I agree so why keep at that point?"
"The thing is the Officer wasn't acting as judge and jury. He was acting like a thug. It was personal for him. The Officer is a d-nozzle and was wrong for what he did. That was a personal act on his part and not an act as an Officer. He just happened to be on duty and in uniform at the time. To me when you say an Officer was acting as judge and jury I think of someone accused of say rape or something being beaten and/or killed during the arrest. I don't see it here. I just see a bully Officer acting out because the young man ran earlier."
"The Officer committed a crime and I have said so in almost every post I have made here. He deserves jail time and to never again be allowed to work in the LE field in any form. Just because I feel the young man shares the blame and shouldn't benefit from his stupid and illegal actions does not mean I in anyway defend the Officer here."
"2nd, I do agree what the young man did does not warrant the kick to the face by the Officer. Again, people keep throwing this out there and I haven't seen anyone say it was right, warranted, etc...? Yes he ran and ticked off the Officer, which I get, but he was surrendering peacefully once tracked down in the store so there was no need to kick him. THAT was wrong and a crime as well. The Officer has to answer for that."
Now, if Jaraxle, Trajan, and anyone else actually thinks those comments make me an "apologist" for the Police and it means that "I will defend bad cops to the end", or that "NOTHING a cop does is over the line" for me I suggest you all go back to school and take a remedial reading course because it is clear you can't comprehend what you read. An "apologist" is defined as the following by Webster; "a person who defends or supports something (such as a religion, cause, or organization) that is being criticized or attacked by other people". Other than saying I do not feel ALL Police are bad and that the good ones shouldn't be punished for the acts of the bad ones, as some like Jaraxle have, I have not defended anything in this thread. Calling me an 'apologist is just wrong!
If anyone in this thread should be labeled with absolutes and with a clear agenda concerning the Police, Jaraxle is a prime candidate with his comments about public vivisection and the like for Police. This is a man who clearly hates
ALL Police and blames them
ALL for the actions of other Officers. This is someone with a big bias who shouldn't be casting stones at me even if they are little made up stones that only exist in his own warped imagination!
To others I am sorry for the long post and hostility but Jaraxle went over the line. His comments are not only wrong but over the line. The fact someone agreed with him is disturbing.
