Originally Posted By: Joe90_guy
because 'slow depletion detergent' is code for 'garbage additive'...
What is the source of this info?
because 'slow depletion detergent' is code for 'garbage additive'...
What is the source of this info?
Castrol Edge 10W-30 in Australia
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Originally Posted By: SR5
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: SR5
BD:However these fresh oil values compared to other oils rarely mean much in real world.
SR5: Sorry, in what respect? Not trying to be rude, I just don't under stand the particular point you are trying to make.
Likely because depletion rates vary greatly from one oil/add pack to another. You can have oil A with starting TBN of 10, and oil B with starting TBN of 9, and after 10K miles, oil A could be at 2, and oil B could be at 3.
OK thanks, that makes sense.
However because they are both Castrol Edge products, I would have assumed that they were roughly comparable. Atleast more so than a brand A PCMO and a brand B HDEO.
Sorry QP, thinking on it a bit more, I get your point.
In my head I was comparing the TBN of something like Kendall or Super Tech that tend to have a TBN of 8 to the Castrol, all of which tend to have a higher TBN (10 -11).
Yes your point is taken. Different add packs behave differently.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: SR5
BD:However these fresh oil values compared to other oils rarely mean much in real world.
SR5: Sorry, in what respect? Not trying to be rude, I just don't under stand the particular point you are trying to make.
Likely because depletion rates vary greatly from one oil/add pack to another. You can have oil A with starting TBN of 10, and oil B with starting TBN of 9, and after 10K miles, oil A could be at 2, and oil B could be at 3.
OK thanks, that makes sense.
However because they are both Castrol Edge products, I would have assumed that they were roughly comparable. Atleast more so than a brand A PCMO and a brand B HDEO.
Sorry QP, thinking on it a bit more, I get your point.
In my head I was comparing the TBN of something like Kendall or Super Tech that tend to have a TBN of 8 to the Castrol, all of which tend to have a higher TBN (10 -11).
Yes your point is taken. Different add packs behave differently.
TBN is no good staying at 10 if the TAN also ends up at 10.
For me TBN depletion showing that base is doing its job and neutralising acid. A TBN of 0 with a TAN of 3 is much better than an oil with TBN of 5 with TAN of 6.
Sorry your right about the A5/B5 bit, 11.2 is a bit over-engineered for the spec. Very solid DI pack this one.
For me TBN depletion showing that base is doing its job and neutralising acid. A TBN of 0 with a TAN of 3 is much better than an oil with TBN of 5 with TAN of 6.
Sorry your right about the A5/B5 bit, 11.2 is a bit over-engineered for the spec. Very solid DI pack this one.
Originally Posted By: SR5
BD:Its going to be above 10TBN for the ACEA A3/B4 claims and will need a lowish HTHS for the GF5 claim.
SR5: We are talking about the 10W-30 right? It's A5/B5 and isn't that a TBN of 8 ? You can't have an A3/B4 & ILSAC in one oil surely ?
Are you talking about both oils in one sentence, without naming the oils or using a comma?
Maybe you are saying, the 5W-30 has a high TBN above 10 because it's A3/B4, and the 10W-30 has a low HTHS because it's an ILSAC oil.
If so, then yes I agree, but respectfully request the use of more nouns.
BD:Its going to be above 10TBN for the ACEA A3/B4 claims and will need a lowish HTHS for the GF5 claim.
SR5: We are talking about the 10W-30 right? It's A5/B5 and isn't that a TBN of 8 ? You can't have an A3/B4 & ILSAC in one oil surely ?
Are you talking about both oils in one sentence, without naming the oils or using a comma?
Maybe you are saying, the 5W-30 has a high TBN above 10 because it's A3/B4, and the 10W-30 has a low HTHS because it's an ILSAC oil.
If so, then yes I agree, but respectfully request the use of more nouns.
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
Sorry your right about the A5/B5 bit, 11.2 is a bit over-engineered for the spec. Very solid DI pack this one.
Don't apologize .... I like it......I like it a lot
Sorry your right about the A5/B5 bit, 11.2 is a bit over-engineered for the spec. Very solid DI pack this one.
Don't apologize .... I like it......I like it a lot
I have updated to hopefully correct my silly mistake where I was thinking about the DI platform
Originally Posted By: SR5
Originally Posted By: SR5
BD:Its going to be above 8TBN for the ACEAA3/B4 A5/B5 claims, however the same pack may also be in other A3/B4 oils. It will need a lowish HTHS for the GF5 claim.
SR5: We are talking about the 10W-30 right? It's A5/B5 and isn't that a TBN of 8 ? You can't have an A3/B4 & ILSAC in one oil surely ?
Are you talking about both oils in one sentence, without naming the oils or using a comma?
Maybe you are saying, the 5W-30 has a high TBN above 10 because it's A3/B4, and the 10W-30 has a low HTHS because it's an ILSAC oil.
If so, then yes I agree, but respectfully request the use of more nouns.
Originally Posted By: SR5
Originally Posted By: SR5
BD:Its going to be above 8TBN for the ACEA
SR5: We are talking about the 10W-30 right? It's A5/B5 and isn't that a TBN of 8 ? You can't have an A3/B4 & ILSAC in one oil surely ?
Are you talking about both oils in one sentence, without naming the oils or using a comma?
Maybe you are saying, the 5W-30 has a high TBN above 10 because it's A3/B4, and the 10W-30 has a low HTHS because it's an ILSAC oil.
If so, then yes I agree, but respectfully request the use of more nouns.
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So we can all agree, the 10W-30 has low VM and therefore low shear, low noack and keeps things nice and clean. Plus a massive TBN of 11.
Sounds like a winner to me.
Sounds like a winner to me.
Yeah its a very nice oil really. TBN is ~8
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
Yeah its a very nice oil really. TBN is ~8
I assume you mean Noack ~ 8%
Which is what I would expect.
I'm thinking of trying some in my Opel AH Astra (1.8L) hatch. Do you think it would be OK? The owners manual says a 10W-30 A3/B3 oil, which seems like a lot (of HTHS) for a 4-cylinder family car.
Yeah its a very nice oil really. TBN is ~8
I assume you mean Noack ~ 8%
Which is what I would expect.
I'm thinking of trying some in my Opel AH Astra (1.8L) hatch. Do you think it would be OK? The owners manual says a 10W-30 A3/B3 oil, which seems like a lot (of HTHS) for a 4-cylinder family car.
I think I must be drunk, yes I mean noack.
Cant see an issue in that engine going slightly thinner. I guess it can get pretty hot there though?
Cant see an issue in that engine going slightly thinner. I guess it can get pretty hot there though?
Laugh !!
Thanks mate.
Thanks mate.
Originally Posted By: Garak
SR5: Maybe the new synthetic 10w-30 in Australia is all the synthetic 10w-30 that got yanked from the Canadian Tire shelves here! Actually, Castrol 10w-30 SN/GF-5 was one of the last synthetic 10w-30 holdouts, and it was on the clearance shelves at one location.
I recon it will be close to what you guys have.
What would the price in Canada be for 5L ?
Unfortunately I feel we both have similar price structures. Which is over priced compared to our friends in the USA.
SR5: Maybe the new synthetic 10w-30 in Australia is all the synthetic 10w-30 that got yanked from the Canadian Tire shelves here! Actually, Castrol 10w-30 SN/GF-5 was one of the last synthetic 10w-30 holdouts, and it was on the clearance shelves at one location.
I recon it will be close to what you guys have.
What would the price in Canada be for 5L ?
Unfortunately I feel we both have similar price structures. Which is over priced compared to our friends in the USA.
Originally Posted By: SR5
I'm thinking of trying some in my Opel AH Astra (1.8L) hatch. Do you think it would be OK? The owners manual says a 10W-30 A3/B3 oil, which seems like a lot (of HTHS) for a 4-cylinder family car.
Its typical for most Euro cars 10+ years old, especially out of Germany. A5/B5 would likely be fine but with A3/B4 so common place, I'd just stick with it.
Castrol do have Magnatec 5w30 A5 but only in 20L drums so it's not widely stocked.
I'm thinking of trying some in my Opel AH Astra (1.8L) hatch. Do you think it would be OK? The owners manual says a 10W-30 A3/B3 oil, which seems like a lot (of HTHS) for a 4-cylinder family car.
Its typical for most Euro cars 10+ years old, especially out of Germany. A5/B5 would likely be fine but with A3/B4 so common place, I'd just stick with it.
Castrol do have Magnatec 5w30 A5 but only in 20L drums so it's not widely stocked.
Originally Posted By: supercity
Originally Posted By: SR5
I'm thinking of trying some in my Opel AH Astra (1.8L) hatch. Do you think it would be OK? The owners manual says a 10W-30 A3/B3 oil, which seems like a lot (of HTHS) for a 4-cylinder family car.
Its typical for most Euro cars 10+ years old, especially out of Germany. A5/B5 would likely be fine but with A3/B4 so common place, I'd just stick with it.
Thanks SuperCity,
Welcome to the Aussie Edge 10W-30 party, it all started when you spotted the new PDS a few months ago.
Yeah I think A5 oil should be fine in a 92kW Astra, but I just wanted the views of a few others.
It is easy enough to find A3/B3/B4 oil, and I have ample in my oil stash, but I'm keen to try this new 10W-30 oil.
The oil I'm running now (40 weight A3/B4, also allowed by the OM) just seems a bit heavy for my family duties. Not racing the car or anything like that.
I'll probably run my Edge 5W-30 A3/B4 first anyway. I need to wait for the 10W-30 to appear in the shops first, then wait for a special to happen to get it at a good price.
Originally Posted By: SR5
I'm thinking of trying some in my Opel AH Astra (1.8L) hatch. Do you think it would be OK? The owners manual says a 10W-30 A3/B3 oil, which seems like a lot (of HTHS) for a 4-cylinder family car.
Its typical for most Euro cars 10+ years old, especially out of Germany. A5/B5 would likely be fine but with A3/B4 so common place, I'd just stick with it.
Thanks SuperCity,
Welcome to the Aussie Edge 10W-30 party, it all started when you spotted the new PDS a few months ago.
Yeah I think A5 oil should be fine in a 92kW Astra, but I just wanted the views of a few others.
It is easy enough to find A3/B3/B4 oil, and I have ample in my oil stash, but I'm keen to try this new 10W-30 oil.
The oil I'm running now (40 weight A3/B4, also allowed by the OM) just seems a bit heavy for my family duties. Not racing the car or anything like that.
I'll probably run my Edge 5W-30 A3/B4 first anyway. I need to wait for the 10W-30 to appear in the shops first, then wait for a special to happen to get it at a good price.
Originally Posted By: SR5
I recon it will be close to what you guys have.
What would the price in Canada be for 5L ?
The clearance stuff, and a decent sale price, is around $30 to $35 a jug. Regular Canadian Tire pricing is about $50 a jug, which is clearly way too much, given that Delvac 1 from the distributor is like half that.
Canadian Tire and Walmart Canada assume, and correctly for the most part, that no one would consider buying oil from anyone except them.
I recon it will be close to what you guys have.
What would the price in Canada be for 5L ?
The clearance stuff, and a decent sale price, is around $30 to $35 a jug. Regular Canadian Tire pricing is about $50 a jug, which is clearly way too much, given that Delvac 1 from the distributor is like half that.
Canadian Tire and Walmart Canada assume, and correctly for the most part, that no one would consider buying oil from anyone except them.
Of course, you have to see what availability will be like, too. In North America, there are a lot of phantom products. Castrol, at least, keeps that to a bare minimum.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: SR5
I recon it will be close to what you guys have.
What would the price in Canada be for 5L ?
The clearance stuff, and a decent sale price, is around $30 to $35 a jug. Regular Canadian Tire pricing is about $50 a jug, which is clearly way too much, given that Delvac 1 from the distributor is like half that.
Canadian Tire and Walmart Canada assume, and correctly for the most part, that no one would consider buying oil from anyone except them.
It will be $60 here for 5L, regular price. But a few times a year you should be able to find it reduced by 30 or 40 %, that's that's the time to buy it.
Originally Posted By: SR5
I recon it will be close to what you guys have.
What would the price in Canada be for 5L ?
The clearance stuff, and a decent sale price, is around $30 to $35 a jug. Regular Canadian Tire pricing is about $50 a jug, which is clearly way too much, given that Delvac 1 from the distributor is like half that.
Canadian Tire and Walmart Canada assume, and correctly for the most part, that no one would consider buying oil from anyone except them.
It will be $60 here for 5L, regular price. But a few times a year you should be able to find it reduced by 30 or 40 %, that's that's the time to buy it.
Same here, or they could just offer a sensible price all the time. I can't see Canadian Tire moving a lot of jugs at $50+.
Originally Posted By: SR5
So we can all agree, the 10W-30 has low VM and therefore low shear, low noack and keeps things nice and clean. Plus a massive TBN of 11.
Sounds like a winner to me.
Is this formulation the same as the US version? Thanks
So we can all agree, the 10W-30 has low VM and therefore low shear, low noack and keeps things nice and clean. Plus a massive TBN of 11.
Sounds like a winner to me.
Is this formulation the same as the US version? Thanks
Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: SR5
So we can all agree, the 10W-30 has low VM and therefore low shear, low noack and keeps things nice and clean. Plus a massive TBN of 11.
Sounds like a winner to me.
Is this formulation the same as the US version? Thanks
Hi Buster,
I don't know for sure, but I suspect not.
Looking at the US and Oz PDS spec sheets, they appear to be slightly different products.
US KV 40C = 71.5
Oz KV 40C = 66.2
US KV100 = 11.3
Oz KV100 = 10.47
The US spec oils gives a HTHS of 3.2 and a Noack of 8.5%. These are pretty much the same as the Oz oil.
So if it's not the same, I would suspect the two Edge products would be quite close.
Not sure about the TBN, 11 for the Oz oil is pretty high. Most US 10W-30's I have seen have a TBN of about 8.
Both Edge 10W-30 have a HTHS of 3.2, which is nice.
Regular M1 10W-30 is 3.0
Sinclair Syn 10W-30 is 3.04
Kendall GT-1 Syn 10W-30 is 3.1
M1 EP 10W-30 is 3.1
But if you are after a very high HTHS 10W-30, use the M1 HM oil as it's 3.5
I think most full synthetic 10W-30 oils share similar advantages of low shear and low Noack.
Originally Posted By: SR5
So we can all agree, the 10W-30 has low VM and therefore low shear, low noack and keeps things nice and clean. Plus a massive TBN of 11.
Sounds like a winner to me.
Is this formulation the same as the US version? Thanks
Hi Buster,
I don't know for sure, but I suspect not.
Looking at the US and Oz PDS spec sheets, they appear to be slightly different products.
US KV 40C = 71.5
Oz KV 40C = 66.2
US KV100 = 11.3
Oz KV100 = 10.47
The US spec oils gives a HTHS of 3.2 and a Noack of 8.5%. These are pretty much the same as the Oz oil.
So if it's not the same, I would suspect the two Edge products would be quite close.
Not sure about the TBN, 11 for the Oz oil is pretty high. Most US 10W-30's I have seen have a TBN of about 8.
Both Edge 10W-30 have a HTHS of 3.2, which is nice.
Regular M1 10W-30 is 3.0
Sinclair Syn 10W-30 is 3.04
Kendall GT-1 Syn 10W-30 is 3.1
M1 EP 10W-30 is 3.1
But if you are after a very high HTHS 10W-30, use the M1 HM oil as it's 3.5
I think most full synthetic 10W-30 oils share similar advantages of low shear and low Noack.
