CA Bullet Button Assault Rifle Registration

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Looks like a viable option and thanks

Originally Posted By: Blkstanger
There are now some nice systems out there that once installed you do not need to register. You can also leave all the features on the gun. The AR platform
has tons of mods that you can do to get around this ridiculous law. This is just one example: https://youtu.be/3zVenCG3eX8
 
I am probably going to go the fixed magazine route. No registration for me...would still like to pass on to my children. The rifle dies with you is a sticking point for me.
 
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I live here. I have been known to handle the AR. No biggie. They ain't the real deal, just a toy for grown-ups.

IF I could have my Army issued Hydramatic Div made M-16 I would, for nostalgia reasons. But I suspect I can't have that anywhere in the USA ... So boy toys are not all that desirable.

OBTW - you can have fully featured rim-fire AR's, just no center fire. So 22 WMR, and 22LR are all fine. I might get a lower and build one for the heck of it.

If I can't reach out and touch something with a bolt action, I'm not much a gunner ... And close in, gee I'd rather have a shot gun anyway
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Probably doing this (AR-15 CompMag). Not a permanent mod...not perfect but will deal to avoid registration.
 
Interesting choice: register your legally owned gun or become a felon.

When CT passed the same kind of registration requirement (which included the requirement to register all magazines over 10 rounds capacity, despite the practical difficulty of registering something without a serial number) under felony penalty, my kid brother chose to register.

I don't criticize his choice, but I do understand the civil disobedience being practiced in NY, CT and now, CA by law-abiding citizens.
 
Astro14, honestly, not being able to transfer the firearm at my death bothers me for some reason. Would have just registered if that wasn't in there. Plan on leaving CA long-term anyway. Very sad law-abiding folks have to waste their time dealing with this stuff.
 
I understand, and my brother plans to pass on his firearms to his boys. I'm not certain that he can pass on his HBAR Colt target rifle (since it's an AR...)

I did offer to buy some of his guns and keep them in my safe, to be gifted to his boys when he deemed it appropriate.

I think he felt like that was even worse - he wouldn't get to shoot them at all...
 
Originally Posted By: 2004tdigls
based upon the pure numbers your country resembles the horn of Africa, not a civilized western democracy:

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths


by comparison, Canada with it's "civil liberties" being restricted by "laws intended to confiscate guns", has somewhat lower number (actually several orders of magnitude)

http://www.rawnumbers.com/crime/gun-deaths-in-canada.html


please continue to enjoy your second amendment rights, perhaps flak jackets and ballistic helmets will become a fashion statement south of the border


Well, since Toronto is more dangerous than New York (and, in fact, so is London, because while guns aren't used, knives and acid are just as effective), I will remember my flak jacket when I visit.

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/increased-murder-and-mayhem-new-norm-for-toronto

Spare us all the typical smug, self-righteous "our system is better" posts.

The RCMP doesn't include rape as a violent crime in Canadian crime statistics- so, any numbers comparison between our nations is by its very nature specious and misleading.

I'm sorry that you've been mislead.

The rates of crimes, including violent crime, and murder, has more to do with social issues than with existing laws.

If you want to look at gun deaths in the US, the preponderance, almost 2/3 are suicides, a social issue that is improperly included in comparisons like the one you linked, but that doesn't reflect the actual rate of violent crime. Its inclusion skews the argument and misleads.

The next largest gun death source is gang on gang violence, again, an issue that is social in its origin and has not historically been improved by various weapons laws. Look at Toronto, or London. That source of gun deaths (or knife, or acid, whatever the weapon) needs public policy and policing changes to be addressed. Young boys need to be shepherded into a better life. Banning weapons makes no difference in how young boys without hope become gang members.

While we both exist in North America - the fundamental difference is this:

Americans wrested their freedom from a sovereign through armed resistance and the people themselves granted the government its authority.

Canadians were granted dominion by a sovereign, from which the government derives its authority.

This is a critical distinction. It is why the Second Amendment was written in the first place, and why Americans place such importance on that particular right, a right which we thought was self-evident but worth codifying.

A right that you were granted by a government, which decides the extent of your liberty.
 
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If you take out a few big metro areas of the US our gun violence stats look A LOT different.
 
Originally Posted By: billt460
I just picked up 4 more 40 round P-Mags at Sportsman's Warehouse this morning, on my way back from Harbor Freight.
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I'm going to kick myself one day for not buying a boatload of 40s.
 
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Yeah, like I would actually REGISTER an AR rifle in California. Registration leads to confiscation. Period.


Everything is already registered. Firearms purchased before I believe 2015 were either described in detail if a pistol, or as a "long gun" if anything else. Every purchase involves filling out the 4473, the CA state DROS form, background check, and 10 day waiting period. Any purchased stripped lowers are treated as a firearm purchase same as a complete rifle, you actually are required to purchase a cable lock and have it inserted through the lower when leaving the dealer.

I had really wanted this to not be political. I was just trying to let people know the deadline is coming up. The state is not informing owners nor advertising the new law and are leaving it up to FFLs to tell their customers.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: 2004tdigls
based upon the pure numbers your country resembles the horn of Africa, not a civilized western democracy:

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths


by comparison, Canada with it's "civil liberties" being restricted by "laws intended to confiscate guns", has somewhat lower number (actually several orders of magnitude)

http://www.rawnumbers.com/crime/gun-deaths-in-canada.html


please continue to enjoy your second amendment rights, perhaps flak jackets and ballistic helmets will become a fashion statement south of the border


Well, since Toronto is more dangerous than New York (and, in fact, so is London, because while guns aren't used, knives and acid are just as effective), I will remember my flak jacket when I visit.

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/increased-murder-and-mayhem-new-norm-for-toronto

Spare us all the typical smug, self-righteous "our system is better" posts.

The RCMP doesn't include rape as a violent crime in Canadian crime statistics- so, any numbers comparison between our nations is by its very nature specious and misleading.

I'm sorry that you've been mislead.

The rates of crimes, including violent crime, and murder, has more to do with social issues than with existing laws.

If you want to look at gun deaths in the US, the preponderance, almost 2/3 are suicides, a social issue that is improperly included in comparisons like the one you linked, but that doesn't reflect the actual rate of violent crime. Its inclusion skews the argument and misleads.

The next largest gun death source is gang on gang violence, again, an issue that is social in its origin and has not historically been improved by various weapons laws. Look at Toronto, or London. That source of gun deaths (or knife, or acid, whatever the weapon) needs public policy and policing changes to be addressed. Young boys need to be shepherded into a better life. Banning weapons makes no difference in how young boys without hope become gang members.

While we both exist in North America - the fundamental difference is this:

Americans wrested their freedom from a sovereign through armed resistance and the people themselves granted the government its authority.

Canadians were granted dominion by a sovereign, from which the government derives its authority.

This is a critical distinction. It is why the Second Amendment was written in the first place, and why Americans place such importance on that particular right, a right which we thought was self-evident but worth codifying.

A right that you were granted by a government, which decides the extent of your liberty.


Superb explanation of the difference between the USA and Canada or Australia. Thanks Astro.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: 2004tdigls
based upon the pure numbers your country resembles the horn of Africa, not a civilized western democracy:

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths


by comparison, Canada with it's "civil liberties" being restricted by "laws intended to confiscate guns", has somewhat lower number (actually several orders of magnitude)

http://www.rawnumbers.com/crime/gun-deaths-in-canada.html


please continue to enjoy your second amendment rights, perhaps flak jackets and ballistic helmets will become a fashion statement south of the border


Well, since Toronto is more dangerous than New York (and, in fact, so is London, because while guns aren't used, knives and acid are just as effective), I will remember my flak jacket when I visit.

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/increased-murder-and-mayhem-new-norm-for-toronto

Spare us all the typical smug, self-righteous "our system is better" posts.

The RCMP doesn't include rape as a violent crime in Canadian crime statistics- so, any numbers comparison between our nations is by its very nature specious and misleading.

I'm sorry that you've been mislead.

The rates of crimes, including violent crime, and murder, has more to do with social issues than with existing laws.

If you want to look at gun deaths in the US, the preponderance, almost 2/3 are suicides, a social issue that is improperly included in comparisons like the one you linked, but that doesn't reflect the actual rate of violent crime. Its inclusion skews the argument and misleads.

The next largest gun death source is gang on gang violence, again, an issue that is social in its origin and has not historically been improved by various weapons laws. Look at Toronto, or London. That source of gun deaths (or knife, or acid, whatever the weapon) needs public policy and policing changes to be addressed. Young boys need to be shepherded into a better life. Banning weapons makes no difference in how young boys without hope become gang members.

While we both exist in North America - the fundamental difference is this:

Americans wrested their freedom from a sovereign through armed resistance and the people themselves granted the government its authority.

Canadians were granted dominion by a sovereign, from which the government derives its authority.

This is a critical distinction. It is why the Second Amendment was written in the first place, and why Americans place such importance on that particular right, a right which we thought was self-evident but worth codifying.

A right that you were granted by a government, which decides the extent of your liberty.


2004tdigls, please proceed to nearest burn unit.
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Well stated, Astro.
 
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Yeah, like I would actually REGISTER an AR rifle in California. Registration leads to confiscation. Period.


Everything is already registered. Firearms purchased before I believe 2015 were either described in detail if a pistol, or as a "long gun" if anything else. Every purchase involves filling out the 4473, the CA state DROS form, background check, and 10 day waiting period. Any purchased stripped lowers are treated as a firearm purchase same as a complete rifle, you actually are required to purchase a cable lock and have it inserted through the lower when leaving the dealer.

I had really wanted this to not be political. I was just trying to let people know the deadline is coming up. The state is not informing owners nor advertising the new law and are leaving it up to FFLs to tell their customers.
Most of the country doesn't go through all that.
 
Originally Posted By: 2004tdigls
based upon the pure numbers your country resembles the horn of Africa, not a civilized western democracy:

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths


by comparison, Canada with it's "civil liberties" being restricted by "laws intended to confiscate guns", has somewhat lower number (actually several orders of magnitude)

http://www.rawnumbers.com/crime/gun-deaths-in-canada.html


please continue to enjoy your second amendment rights, perhaps flak jackets and ballistic helmets will become a fashion statement south of the border


I'm not going to bother clicking those links but most gun deaths are suicides. We have folks jumping off the bridges on the DVP, those deaths are just as real.

The Liberals are presently trying to impose yet another gun bill in Canada that will do absolutely nothing to deal with gang violence in the GTA (the primary issue) nor the flow of illegal guns in from the USA and other locations (also a part of that same problem). It's a virtue-signalling flaccid piece of propaganda that penalizes legal gun owners like myself by making our lives more difficult while doing exactly zero to deal with any of the real issues.

There are many parts of the Canadian firearms laws I agree with BTW. In its current form, other than the bizarre and baseless restricted classification of the AR-15, the laws seem reasonable with the enforcement of licensing, which involves the mandatory training and safety courses, as well as background checks that include healthcare information. The storage laws are also, IMHO, generally quite reasonable and work to prevent accidental deaths.

You cannot however, look at our firearms laws and state absolutely, that this is the reason for lower crime in Canada. We do not have the same level of gang violence, we do not have the ghettoes...etc. There are sociological differences between the two nations that factor into those statistics and the US numbers change significantly when you exclude the areas most affected by that stuff.
 
Originally Posted By: hatt
[/quote]Most of the country doesn't go through all that.


I am well aware of that. I have a Florida CCW because I visit family often enough. I would consider moving, but doing my job in any other part of the country would pay anything close to what I make here. Although the sale of the house would buy us a significantly larger property anywhere else. The registration applies only to California so if I do move I don't have to worry about it.
 
Bullet train and bullet button are we seeing something familiar with the two?
 
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