Exactly, itās all relative the problem is it doesnāt say EXCESSIVE anywhere.EXCESSIVE stop and go driving. Of course every car has to stop and go
Exactly, itās all relative the problem is it doesnāt say EXCESSIVE anywhere.EXCESSIVE stop and go driving. Of course every car has to stop and go
By your logic, when I pull out of my garage and stop at the end of my driveway, that's "stop and go" so I automatically fall under most automaker's "severe" service schedule ?Taxi-ing ? Everybody does stop and go traffic, donāt they? You go from point A to point B without ever stopping? Just curious.
I think if you did a poll on here comparing the folks that go 10,000 vs the folks that do 5,000ā¦5,000 would be the vast majority. IMOYes, I agree. Mechanics mostly do 5k on their own vehicles.
As for 70/30, I would disagree completely you hear people on here everyday posting 10k with synthetic oil and they even say the engineers at what ever manufacturer knows more than we do. I hear this s lot. Out of all the billions of cars out there, I donāt think 70% of these people donāt event think about the oil. They just do it when the service light comes on and donāt even care.
The problem with this is, most dealerships donāt have the mechanics talking with the customers, itās usually the clueless service writer recommending or telling people itās a 10k interval.
My thing is still if you read the O/M it does tell you the same thing all those mechanics you are referring to, do, change it at 5k.
Nope, thatās not ā severeā again the O/M doesnāt say ā severeā or ā excessive ā itās up to you to define that. Iām just telling you what it says, Iām not saying either way. I always do 5k except with my newest LC.By your logic, when I pull out of my garage and stop at the end of my driveway, that's "stop and go" so I automatically fall under most automaker's "severe" service schedule ?
The people here aren't your average people who just drive their cars. The average person doesn't study and research the approvals on the back of a bottle of oil or determine the amount of "moly" and say "not good enough". The average person gets their oil changed a) when the car annoys them long enough to do it and b) done at quick-lube places or a dealer.I think if you did a poll on here comparing the folks that go 10,000 vs the folks that do 5,000ā¦5,000 would be the vast majority. IMO
Call them and ask since you seem the most bothered by their wordingExactly, itās all relative the problem is it doesnāt say EXCESSIVE anywhere.
No thanks. You seem most bothered, Iām just repeating what the O/M says, and you added a word that wasnāt there.Call them and ask since you seem the most bothered by their wording
Iām not the one giving advice to other members. Iād call and ask before giving out potentially wrong infoNo thanks. You seem most bothered, Iām just repeating what the O/M says, and you added a word that wasnāt there.
The owners manual states and this is not verbatim, I have quoted it enough over the years, āif the majority of your driving is in these conditions follow the severe service intervalā. Not some of the time or sitting in traffic during your commute, and it.. it mentions car top carriers, towing, driving on rough roads( I take this is for retorting the chassis bolts and body mounts, and dusty condition's. Driving a few times off road or Doing 500 miles of towing would not constituteāthe majority of drivingā.this right here is what made me say what Iām saying.
The people working at the dealership will say if you use TGMO synthetic, you can go 10k but if you use conventional you can only go 5k.
My whole point is, itās not the oil that determines the interval, itās the driving conditions. Thatās why I think the people working at these places need to read the O/M and understand that everyone driving Conditions is different and for the Toyota 4 runner, LC, and Tundra the O/M states that dusty roads, stop and go, or if you tow the oil change should be 5k using their recommended oil 0w20.
Now could you go longer than 5k with this oil doing these things sure, but whatās the limit, only way to know is do an oil sample. The problem with that is not everyone is going to do that. So itās important that service writer ask question like when a guy pulls up in a Tundra, he should ask, do you tow with this truck and if the person says yes, he should say, your O/M recommends 5k if you tow. Then he can leave it up to the owner say yes or no, but make sure they are aware instead of just saying itās good to 10k regardless.
The problem is, it doesnāt say how much towing, or dusty driving, or how much stop and go, that is for each person to decide.
I would never use TGMO 0w20 for 10k, in fact, I wouldnāt use any off the shelf oil for 10k in any of my vehicles, regardless if I was doing those things are not, but thatās just me.
I use Mobil 1 ep, afe, and the regular Mobil 1 all the time in my 4 runners, and in my previous Tundras and LCās but always changed it at 5k. Very seldom went over, if I did, it was only maybe 1k or so.
I just think people are wrapped up with 10k OCI and set on it, without really reading the O/M to see what it actually says because if they did read it, I bet a lot less people would go 10k and change it much sooner.
Iām not giving advice, Iām saying read the O/M.Iām not the one giving advice to other members. Iād call and ask before giving out potentially wrong info
My LC and 4 runner manuals donāt say anything about āMajorityā it just states if you do it. Not trying to argue, itās up for how anyone interprets it. I simply just said read the owners manual because if people read it a lot of their questions would be answered, thatās all.The owners manual states and this is not verbatim, I have quoted it enough over the years, āif the majority of your driving is in these conditions follow the severe service intervalā. Not some of the time or sitting in traffic during your commute, and it.. it mentions car top carriers, towing, driving on rough roads( I take this is for retorting the chassis bolts and body mounts, and dusty condition's. Driving a few times off road or Doing 500 miles of towing would not constituteāthe majority of drivingā.
To add to this Toyota is well aware of the driving conditions in North America and have taken that into account With their recommendations.
Understood, I can support my statements with documentation. here is the language in the maintenance manual of 2017 Tacoma page 37.My LC and 4 runner manuals donāt say anything about āMajorityā it just states if you do it. Not trying to argue, itās up for how anyone interprets it. I simply just said read the owners manual because if people read it a lot of their questions would be answered, thatās all.