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Just ordered Nokian Z-line A/S

Posted By: UG_Passat

Just ordered Nokian Z-line A/S - 06/11/18 07:36 PM

From simpletire.com for $96 per tire (shipped) for 235/50r18

What's the worst it can happen? Last as long as the stock continental contiprocontact?
Posted By: Quattro Pete

Re: Just ordered Nokian Z-line A/S - 06/11/18 07:57 PM

Cool! Let us know how you like them once you put some miles on them.

is this for the Tiguan? I was looking at these tires for wife's Q5, but in size 235/55/19, they seem to be available as a runflat only, which I do not want.
Posted By: 123Saab

Re: Just ordered Nokian Z-line A/S - 06/11/18 09:41 PM

Looking forward to your Impression.

I have Nokian Entyre's on the GTI and Rotiiva's on the Jeep.

Love the Entyre, but it's wearing pretty quick. I blame that on a soft compound and my driving habits here on the winding roads of the Lehigh Valley.
Posted By: UG_Passat

Re: Just ordered Nokian Z-line A/S - 06/11/18 10:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Cool! Let us know how you like them once you put some miles on them.

is this for the Tiguan? I was looking at these tires for wife's Q5, but in size 235/55/19, they seem to be available as a runflat only, which I do not want.


Yes, Tiguan

https://www.nokiantires.com/all-season-tires/nokian-zline-a-s-suv/

They list 235/55r19 but does not specify run flat or not
Posted By: krzyss

Re: Just ordered Nokian Z-line A/S - 06/11/18 11:41 PM

Try Nokian page and see what they offer. If Nokian page says RF it is RF.

Krzys
Posted By: BrewCityR

Re: Just ordered Nokian Z-line A/S - 06/12/18 05:48 PM

I, too, am interested in hearing a brief review... I was close to ordering a set for my M45 but I ordered cheaper Milestar MS932 XP with last week's eBay 20% off deal.
Posted By: pandus13

Re: Just ordered Nokian Z-line A/S - 06/12/18 09:15 PM

Originally Posted By: 123Saab
Looking forward to your Impression.

I have Nokian Entyre's on the GTI and Rotiiva's on the Jeep.

Love the Entyre, but it's wearing pretty quick. I blame that on a soft compound and my driving habits here on the winding roads of the Lehigh Valley.

[off-topic]
123Saab,
did you experience wheel spin or slips with the Entyres?
How was your rain/wet pavement experience?
[/off-topic]
Posted By: UG_Passat

Re: Just ordered Nokian Z-line A/S - 06/12/18 11:03 PM

look at what showed up at my door



Made in Russia (until the Dayton, TN is operational)

3817 for 3 tires and 3917 for 1 tire

Posted By: Quattro Pete

Re: Just ordered Nokian Z-line A/S - 06/12/18 11:11 PM

Originally Posted By: krzyss
Try Nokian page and see what they offer. If Nokian page says RF it is RF.

Krzys
It's weird that simpletire.com says size 235/55/19 is runflat, but Nokian's website does not.
Posted By: 123Saab

Re: Just ordered Nokian Z-line A/S - 06/12/18 11:51 PM

Originally Posted By: pandus13
Originally Posted By: 123Saab
Looking forward to your Impression.

I have Nokian Entyre's on the GTI and Rotiiva's on the Jeep.

Love the Entyre, but it's wearing pretty quick. I blame that on a soft compound and my driving habits here on the winding roads of the Lehigh Valley.

[off-topic]
123Saab,
did you experience wheel spin or slips with the Entyres?
How was your rain/wet pavement experience?
[/off-topic]


They are fine in the wet imho.

The GTI will spin pretty much any tire if motivated enough.
Posted By: krzyss

Re: Just ordered Nokian Z-line A/S - 06/13/18 10:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: krzyss
Try Nokian page and see what they offer. If Nokian page says RF it is RF.

Krzys
It's weird that simpletire.com says size 235/55/19 is runflat, but Nokian's website does not.


I would tend to trust the vendor more than reseller/dealer.

Krzys
Posted By: Voleak

Re: Just ordered Nokian Z-line A/S - 06/16/18 08:04 PM

Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
look at what showed up at my door



Made in Russia (until the Dayton, TN is operational)
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What are your initial impressions with the Z-line A/S tires as you handle them. Do they look and feel like a durable high quality product? I remember when my Entyre's arrived at my house, I picked them up and inspected them carefully. They looked and felt top-tier. Now, thousands of miles later, coming up for their second rotation, I love them.
Posted By: UG_Passat

Weekend review - 06/18/18 05:40 PM



Wet: Hasn't rained yet
Snow: Not planning on it. I use winter tires in the winter on my cute-ute

Dry comments:
Seems to grip better even on broken pavement that would normally throw my car off kilter.

Noise: it's a UHPAS tire, noise isn't #1 priority. That being said, on my Android sound meter app, I get 68-70 dB doing 70 mph on the highway. Worn ContiProContacts clock in at 71 dB. Not a bad start for noise.

No rim protector, but the sidewall bulges out enough on 7" wide wheels.
Posted By: UG_Passat

Re: Weekend review - 06/18/18 08:09 PM

If I were to make a prediction about winter performance, I would say extremely light snow. Not nearly enough siping that I would be comfortable with, even with AWD.

The 2 solid ribs with minimal siping are for dry handling
Posted By: stuffinder

Re: Weekend review - 06/29/18 11:07 PM

I loved the previous Zline although they were softand wore quickly & were dangerous in snow/ice! (As expected) They rode well, were quiet & handled and stopped well. Only downside short tread life (20-30K) and bad cold weather issues!

I bought a set of Zline AS 245/45x17 for my '08 AUDI A6 Avant and installed them two days before our last snow of this extended winter! While I did drive much in snow I had enough time to determine that they're far better in cold/snow than the previous Zline! Even though they're designed for colder temps they still feel somewhat imbalanced until they warm up. I installed them April 16 & have 5000 miles on them and am extremely pleased with their behavior! One thing that is seldom mentioned is the fact that in 20-25 yrs of using Nokian tires primarily I've found that no matter what performance category Nokians always are superb in the wet! The best anti-hydro planing tire I've ever used.!
Posted By: krzyss

Re: Weekend review - 06/30/18 12:56 AM

Complaining about snow performance of summer tires is strange.
I wonder how much dry and wet performance Nokian gave up to provide some snow performance.

Krzyś
Posted By: Voleak

Re: Weekend review - 06/30/18 01:30 AM

Originally Posted By: stuffinder
...no matter what performance category Nokians always are superb in the wet! The best anti-hydro planing tire I've ever used.!


This has been my experience with the Entyre 2.0, as well. When I have driven them in heavy rains, the only thing that slowed me down was the windshield wipers not clearing the windshield fast enough. And on dry winding roads, it seriously feels like a high performance tire. GRIP GALORE!! In my high riding wagon, I get a huge s**t grin every time I nail the curves. I can only imagine what the OP's ZLine A/S' must be like. WOW wink
Posted By: stuffinder

Re: Weekend review (long Nokian rant!) - 06/30/18 01:33 PM

I don't think we're complaining about lack of snow/ice/cold performance as much as making people aware of the fact that the Zline AS does have
have improved performance in that department as compared to it's predecessor the Zline. I believe the UTOQ rating dhow that it will give additional tread wear as well. Zline was 300, Zline AS 500 I believe. I don't think the handling is degrade much compared to Zline & I prefer a tire that I don't have swap due to danger in cold/snow/ice conditions! I've been averaging 35-40 k miles annually since 1966 in Porsche 356, VW's, Peugeot 504's, Volvo 122,145,745,965 and since moving to a bad hill in 2010 AUDI A4,S6, A6 Avants. Most of these cars were purchased used so I've had plenty of opportunity to experience all sorts of tires. Nokians have been the best winter tire I've used although I splurged on my 1st AUDI with a set of Vredestein Wintrac Extreme's. The Vred's were the best handling winter tire I've evr used but not up to Nokian in Snow/Ice! Due to the fact that Nokian is known as a "Snow" tire company their Summer tires have been slow sellers. They can often be found languishing in some warehouse in the Sunny South or Far West at absurdly low prices! I saw 245/45x17 Zline's at 50-60 bucks a yearorr two ago on simple tire! Not all my Nokian experience has been excellent, the early "All Season, WR G2 I think became serious screamers under 20K, others have have had similar experience. Frequent rotation is a must, especially on AUDI's, BMW's & M-B's according to a Nokian tech guy I talked to years ago. BTW the Nokian Entyre 2.0's I just put on my daughters A6 handle almost as well as the Zline AS and are smoother riding & should give more tread life & be even better in Cold/Snow. I needed something more cold weather worthy to balance her Studded R2's!
Posted By: 123Saab

Re: Weekend review (long Nokian rant!) - 06/30/18 11:59 PM

Originally Posted By: stuffinder
I don't think we're complaining about lack of snow/ice/cold performance as much as making people aware of the fact that the Zline AS does have
have improved performance in that department as compared to it's predecessor the Zline. I believe the UTOQ rating dhow that it will give additional tread wear as well. Zline was 300, Zline AS 500 I believe. I don't think the handling is degrade much compared to Zline & I prefer a tire that I don't have swap due to danger in cold/snow/ice conditions! I've been averaging 35-40 k miles annually since 1966 in Porsche 356, VW's, Peugeot 504's, Volvo 122,145,745,965 and since moving to a bad hill in 2010 AUDI A4,S6, A6 Avants. Most of these cars were purchased used so I've had plenty of opportunity to experience all sorts of tires. Nokians have been the best winter tire I've used although I splurged on my 1st AUDI with a set of Vredestein Wintrac Extreme's. The Vred's were the best handling winter tire I've evr used but not up to Nokian in Snow/Ice! Due to the fact that Nokian is known as a "Snow" tire company their Summer tires have been slow sellers. They can often be found languishing in some warehouse in the Sunny South or Far West at absurdly low prices! I saw 245/45x17 Zline's at 50-60 bucks a yearorr two ago on simple tire! Not all my Nokian experience has been excellent, the early "All Season, WR G2 I think became serious screamers under 20K, others have have had similar experience. Frequent rotation is a must, especially on AUDI's, BMW's & M-B's according to a Nokian tech guy I talked to years ago. BTW the Nokian Entyre 2.0's I just put on my daughters A6 handle almost as well as the Zline AS and are smoother riding & should give more tread life & be even better in Cold/Snow. I needed something more cold weather worthy to balance her Studded R2's!


I was contemplating the Zline's too for the GTI but living in the hilly north east PA I felt the Entyre 2.0 might be a better winter tire and mine were very good last winter.

Still very curious about the winter performance of the Zline.
Posted By: 123Saab

Re: Weekend review (long Nokian rant!) - 07/01/18 12:00 AM

Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
If I were to make a prediction about winter performance, I would say extremely light snow. Not nearly enough siping that I would be comfortable with, even with AWD.

The 2 solid ribs with minimal siping are for dry handling


I'd have to agree.
Posted By: stuffinder

Re: Weekend review (long Nokian rant!) - 07/01/18 11:17 PM



(/quote "Still very curious about the winter performance of the Zline. [/quote]

I guarantee the Zline is deadly in Winter conditions! I just went out once briefly in very light snow and felt I was on a skating rink!

The Zline AS is another story, I drove in a couple inches of fresh snow and while it was easy to force the Traction Control into operation the tire was not treacherous. The slight siping & different rubber compound seem to have made it a much better 3 Season tire. I live on the E edge of lake effect snow belt in Central NY and am not comfortable with anything less than a good snow tire. I use Nokian R2's on my wife's '09 Rabbit & my AUDI A6 Avant. This past winter was my daughters 1st and after a brief excursion into a ditch on glare ice with her 1/2 tread R2's I bought her a set of Studded Nokian Hakapelitta 9's since she's the only one in the family with work & school timelines to meet! I was very surprised to see how much quieter they are than than the old Hakka's. On my iPhone DB meter they read about 68-69db at 65 MPH and the R2's run the meter up to 65 DB at 65 mph, both on AUDI A6 Avants, '07/'08.
Posted By: 123Saab

Re: Weekend review (long Nokian rant!) - 07/02/18 10:37 AM

Originally Posted By: stuffinder


I guarantee the Zline is deadly in Winter conditions! I just went out once briefly in very light snow and felt I was on a skating rink!

The Zline AS is another story, I drove in a couple inches of fresh snow and while it was easy to force the Traction Control into operation the tire was not treacherous. The slight siping & different rubber compound seem to have made it a much better 3 Season tire. I live on the E edge of lake effect snow belt in Central NY and am not comfortable with anything less than a good snow tire. I use Nokian R2's on my wife's '09 Rabbit & my AUDI A6 Avant. This past winter was my daughters 1st and after a brief excursion into a ditch on glare ice with her 1/2 tread R2's I bought her a set of Studded Nokian Hakapelitta 9's since she's the only one in the family with work & school timelines to meet! I was very surprised to see how much quieter they are than than the old Hakka's. On my iPhone DB meter they read about 68-69db at 65 MPH and the R2's run the meter up to 65 DB at 65 mph, both on AUDI A6 Avants, '07/'08.


I meant the Zline AS, I would'nt drive a summer tire like the Zline in the snow.

The AS has a A/AA rating vs. the Entyre 2.0's A/A and I wondered how big a difference there was in snow most of all.
Posted By: UG_Passat

Re: Weekend review (long Nokian rant!) - 07/02/18 02:44 PM

Originally Posted By: 123Saab


I meant the Zline AS, I would'nt drive a summer tire like the Zline in the snow.

The AS has a A/AA rating vs. the Entyre 2.0's A/A and I wondered how big a difference there was in snow most of all.


The traction rating has nothing to do with snow. It refers to wet braking coefficients in asphalt and concrete.

UTQG doesn't have a snow rating. The 3-peak mountain snowflake is a Rubber Manufacturers Association test.
Posted By: silveravant

Re: Weekend review (long Nokian rant!) - 07/02/18 02:45 PM

Just ordered a set for my Audi a4 in 235/45-17. Only $66.57 shipped from Simple Tire. I know they're pretty new, but I haven't seen a bad review.
Posted By: UG_Passat

Re: Weekend review (long Nokian rant!) - 07/02/18 02:53 PM

Originally Posted By: stuffinder
I don't think we're complaining about lack of snow/ice/cold performance as much as making people aware of the fact that the Zline AS does have
have improved performance in that department as compared to it's predecessor the Zline. I believe the UTOQ rating dhow that it will give additional tread wear as well. Zline was 300, Zline AS 500 I believe. I don't think the handling is degrade much compared to Zline & I prefer a tire that I don't have swap due to danger in cold/snow/ice conditions! I've been averaging 35-40 k miles annually since 1966 in Porsche 356, VW's, Peugeot 504's, Volvo 122,145,745,965 and since moving to a bad hill in 2010 AUDI A4,S6, A6 Avants. Most of these cars were purchased used so I've had plenty of opportunity to experience all sorts of tires. Nokians have been the best winter tire I've used although I splurged on my 1st AUDI with a set of Vredestein Wintrac Extreme's. The Vred's were the best handling winter tire I've evr used but not up to Nokian in Snow/Ice! Due to the fact that Nokian is known as a "Snow" tire company their Summer tires have been slow sellers. They can often be found languishing in some warehouse in the Sunny South or Far West at absurdly low prices! I saw 245/45x17 Zline's at 50-60 bucks a yearorr two ago on simple tire! Not all my Nokian experience has been excellent, the early "All Season, WR G2 I think became serious screamers under 20K, others have have had similar experience. Frequent rotation is a must, especially on AUDI's, BMW's & M-B's according to a Nokian tech guy I talked to years ago. BTW the Nokian Entyre 2.0's I just put on my daughters A6 handle almost as well as the Zline AS and are smoother riding & should give more tread life & be even better in Cold/Snow. I needed something more cold weather worthy to balance her Studded R2's!


The Zline A/S has no procedessor. The Zline A/S is a tire specific for the US/Canada market.

The Z-line is still being made, (its predecessor is the Z-G2)and sold in the US/Canada for those who want a summer tire.

You're not going to find too many summer tires with a UTQG wear rating of 500 or higher sold for the US/Canada market. THe closest summer tire I know of is the Dunlop Direzza DZ102, which gets a wear rating of 460.
Posted By: 123Saab

Re: Weekend review (long Nokian rant!) - 07/02/18 06:07 PM

Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: 123Saab


I meant the Zline AS, I would'nt drive a summer tire like the Zline in the snow.

The AS has a A/AA rating vs. the Entyre 2.0's A/A and I wondered how big a difference there was in snow most of all.


The traction rating has nothing to do with snow. It refers to wet braking coefficients in asphalt and concrete.

UTQG doesn't have a snow rating. The 3-peak mountain snowflake is a Rubber Manufacturers Association test.


Correct. The Zline AS has a better rating for traction than the Entyre 2.0.

It would be the preferable tire if it measures up in snow to the Entyre 2.0.

Sorry for my sloppy sentence.
Posted By: stuffinder

Zline-ZlineAS comments - 07/03/18 01:38 AM

Stay tuned here I'm running '07/'08 AUDI A6 Avants with 245/40/18 Entyre 2.0 & 245/45/27 ZlineAS. Depending on the snowfall before my changeover to R2's & Hakka 9's w/studs I may be able to do a comparision.
At this point I wish the Entyre 2.0 had been available in 245/45/17 as they seem to ride a little smoother even w/18's running higher TP specified by AUDI, probably to keep from cracking/bending rims with lower profile. I haven't pushed either car very hard cornering wise. The Zline is probably a touch stickier. Both are excellent rain tires. (As are all Nokians in my experience) One thing I notice with Zline's is they feel like there is very minor flat spotting or something causing very slight imbalance that I can feel for the first 5-10 minutes of driving, even in 60-70 degree weather. At first I thought they weren't balanced properly and asked my mechanic how they had balanced when he installed them & he said they balance well with a minimum of weight necessary. I think it's just due to slightly different rubber compound/ They do smooth out fine until the next time the car sits for a day or more. All in all I'm very happy with both Zline AS & Entyre 2.0, will see how they work out!
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