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Motul X-cess Gen2 and X-clean Gen2 5W-40 #5444669 06/02/20 02:10 PM
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This is a continuation of this thread: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5409148/new-motul-lineup

Motul has come out with a press release outlining some information on the "revised" LL-01 spec that their gen2 x-cess 5w-40 product will now meet:

https://www.motul.com/us/en-US/news/products-innovation/motul-difference-xclean-xcess-gen2

It appears that Gokhan and a few others are correct on the suspicion that the LL-01 spec has been updated.

8100 x-cess gen 2: https://d23zpyj32c5wn3.cloudfront.net/images/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/85036/8100_X-cess_gen2_5W-40_%28GB%29.pdf?1571413084

8100 x-clean gen 2: https://d23zpyj32c5wn3.cloudfront.net/images/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/85037/8100_X-clean_gen2_5W-40_%28GB%29.pdf?1571412596

Last edited by The Critic; 06/02/20 02:12 PM.

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Re: Motul X-cess Gen2 and X-clean Gen2 5W-40 [Re: The Critic] #5444677 06/02/20 02:17 PM
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Some additional info from a post by a Motul rep:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1087028-introduction-motul-6.html

"Our primary reason for reformulating was due to new standards from BMW to meet their improved LL-01 and LL-04 standards on 2019+ vehicles, but it also gave us a chance to achieve the new Porsche C40 approval on our X-clean 5W40 gen2 product."

"No compromises were made as the new OEM tests required a stronger additive package to maintain the BMW approval for 2019+ or receive new approvals from Porsche/VW (in the case of X-clean). Compared to the existing products, both gen2 products have higher shear stability, longer oil life, and enhanced piston deposit control to avoid LSPI."

So, which 2019MY+ BMW's require LL-01? That is the baffling part to me. All of the recent BMW's require LL01FE or LL-17FE.


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Re: Motul X-cess Gen2 and X-clean Gen2 5W-40 [Re: The Critic] #5444691 06/02/20 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by The Critic
Some additional info from a post by a Motul rep:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1087028-introduction-motul-6.html

"Our primary reason for reformulating was due to new standards from BMW to meet their improved LL-01 and LL-04 standards on 2019+ vehicles, but it also gave us a chance to achieve the new Porsche C40 approval on our X-clean 5W40 gen2 product."

"No compromises were made as the new OEM tests required a stronger additive package to maintain the BMW approval for 2019+ or receive new approvals from Porsche/VW (in the case of X-clean). Compared to the existing products, both gen2 products have higher shear stability, longer oil life, and enhanced piston deposit control to avoid LSPI."

So, which 2019MY+ BMW's require LL-01? That is the baffling part to me. All of the recent BMW's require LL01FE or LL-17FE.

All BMW new engines are approved for LL01 and FE oils. One can use LL)1 or LL01FE or LL-17FE etc.
Primary decision behind this is that different markets have different exploitation requirements. BMW had few years back TIS that LL01 proved to be much more suitable for N63 engines in Europe, than in the US where they see mostly city cycle.


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