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Success with a Ford key and Forscan #5342913 02/06/20 06:32 PM
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After loosing one of the two keys for my Ford pickup I ordered an OEM key off EBay, loaded Forscan on my laptop, and the Forscan recommend OBDII adapter from Amazon. Got the key cut at a locksmith and then used Forscan to program the key. Twelve minutes latter the new key was all set including it's buttons for doors and remote start.

I paid $100 for the key but it's a genuine Ford key. There are aftermarket keys on Amazon for $30. I may try one if I decide I want a 3rd key.


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Re: Success with a Ford key and Forscan [Re: Donald] #5342918 02/06/20 06:36 PM
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How much does the dealer charge?


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I bought one of the after market keys from Ebay and it wouldn't program at the Ford dealership for my 2014 Ford F-150. I had to buy the original Ford key and
it cost me under $200.00. I cannot remember the exact amount because it was almost 4 years ago. I do not recommend those after market Ford keys.


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Re: Success with a Ford key and Forscan [Re: Donald] #5342938 02/06/20 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Donald
I paid $100 for the key but it's a genuine Ford key.


Got these on Ebay for $20 for a 16 Taurus, https://www.ebay.com/itm/Replacemen...Swdb1dUsIm:sc:USPSFirstClass!20854!US!-1 Worked great for a fraction of what a dealer would have charged.

Re: Success with a Ford key and Forscan [Re: Greggy_D] #5342964 02/06/20 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Greggy_D
How much does the dealer charge?


We charge 1 hour of labor for programming which is $140.


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Re: Success with a Ford key and Forscan [Re: atikovi] #5342995 02/06/20 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by atikovi
Originally Posted by Donald
I paid $100 for the key but it's a genuine Ford key.


Got these on Ebay for $20 for a 16 Taurus, https://www.ebay.com/itm/Replacemen...Swdb1dUsIm:sc:USPSFirstClass!20854!US!-1 Worked great for a fraction of what a dealer would have charged.


There are a lot of permutations of these keys with 40 and 80 bit transponders. These keys have a chip and buttons for doors and maybe remote start.

I could have tried the aftermarket keys, but I felt more confident with getting an OEM Ford key.


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Re: Success with a Ford key and Forscan [Re: bdcardinal] #5342998 02/06/20 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bdcardinal
Originally Posted by Greggy_D
How much does the dealer charge?


We charge 1 hour of labor for programming which is $140.


Plus the cost of the key.


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Re: Success with a Ford key and Forscan [Re: Donald] #5343053 02/06/20 09:06 PM
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I understand profit centers but there is just no way A KEY should cost $250 for a Ford truck or $375 for a RAV4 from the dealer. No way.

These keys probably don't cost $15 to make. The OP programmed his key in 12 minutes and he doesn't know what he's doing. A dealership can do it faster and charges 1 hour labor? Come on.


And I found the missing key to the RAV4 that I posted about a couple of weeks ago.



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Re: Success with a Ford key and Forscan [Re: bdcardinal] #5343060 02/06/20 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bdcardinal
We charge 1 hour of labor for programming which is $140.

No matter how I phrase this it won't come out right, but come on, we know it doesn't take an hour. Why not charge something more reasonable time-wise ? I know, free market and capitalism....

I know you didn't make this pricing scheme either. Just asking (hypothetically).

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Originally Posted by hallstevenson
Originally Posted by bdcardinal
We charge 1 hour of labor for programming which is $140.

No matter how I phrase this it won't come out right, but come on, we know it doesn't take an hour. Why not charge something more reasonable time-wise ? I know, free market and capitalism....

I know you didn't make this pricing scheme either. Just asking (hypothetically).


It is a free market out there. I had a key programmed at a Ford dealer years ago, they only charged me a 1/2 hour. A few other dealers were charging 1 hour. I called around til I found the place that only wanted 1/2 hour. This was before Forscan.

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So beyond the key programming I am thinking about the scanning and bi-directional capabilities. I have AutoEnginuity code scanner with the optional ($$) Ford specific option but its not current for 2020. Maybe 2018.

And now I have Forscan which obviously is Ford specific.

Both are bidirectional.

Both are on one "traveling" laptop. Not my home laptop.


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Re: Success with a Ford key and Forscan [Re: Wolf359] #5343608 02/07/20 11:57 AM
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Our Fusion needed a module update - well, a module update fixed a glitch which was if you set the instrument cluster to show fuel economy or show tach + fuel level, every time you put it in DRIVE, it would reset to tach+fuel+coolant temp (or whatever). I called the nearby Ford shop and the service advisor was adamant about updating Sync2 and it costs $120 (their hourly rate). I finally got one of their "master techs" that was helping at the desk by chance, knew what I meant, and said "$50 sound fair ?".

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Originally Posted by hallstevenson
Originally Posted by bdcardinal
We charge 1 hour of labor for programming which is $140.

No matter how I phrase this it won't come out right, but come on, we know it doesn't take an hour. Why not charge something more reasonable time-wise ? I know, free market and capitalism....

I know you didn't make this pricing scheme either. Just asking (hypothetically).


I get it. The labor is set by service. They do an hour more of as a way for techs to get an easy hour, especially for our Mazda tech who has been getting hammered with Mazda 3 dash recalls(pays about 2 hours and he has it down to 8). Personally I think it would be more than fair to charge $50-60 for the programming but still give the tech their 1 hour, which now here minimum wage for techs is $26/hr since it is double minimum wage.


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Re: Success with a Ford key and Forscan [Re: bdcardinal] #5344642 02/08/20 02:04 PM
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Asking out of curiosity now..... What is the description on the customer invoice, just "Program and test replacement key fob" with a dollar amount ? Or does the labor-time column get a value ("1") as well ? If I brought a replacement key fob for programming, hand it to the people working and they give it back to me in 15 minutes, I might mention the 1-hour labor charge ! grin

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More importantly, if there is a minimum labor charge of one hour, can you get up to 4 FOB's programmed if they really only take 15 minutes each, and only pay the 1 hour rate?

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