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Re: I am laughing so hard....not really [Re: atikovi] #5284180 12/03/19 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by atikovi
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With the head gasket compromised he was likely getting combustion pressure bleeding into the cooling system which resulted in the high coolant pressure code.


OK, but to set a high coolant pressure code, you need to sense high coolant pressure with some sensor. I don't remember coming across such a part and I have a Liberty myself.


Good point. Maybe OP could post the original trouble code that was generated....


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Re: I am laughing so hard....not really [Re: JLTD] #5284211 12/03/19 05:20 PM
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Since the “coolant high pressure” code can be linked to a head gasket failure, why not go straight to the dash and have a light come on saying “replace head gasket “? LOL


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Re: I am laughing so hard....not really [Re: JLTD] #5284219 12/03/19 05:26 PM
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Have you considered the possibility the HG failure could be related to the exclusive use of Amsoil products?
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Re: I am laughing so hard....not really [Re: Lolvoguy] #5284257 12/03/19 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Lolvoguy
Have you considered the possibility the HG failure could be related to the exclusive use of Amsoil products?
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I could see it, if he's been using SSO in the radiator! I've never been overly impressed with the Liberty, they seem extremely rust-prone (around here), but maybe a boneyard engine would be OK.


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Re: I am laughing so hard....not really [Re: JLTD] #5284274 12/03/19 06:11 PM
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So just what does that warranty cover?


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Re: I am laughing so hard....not really [Re: Snagglefoot] #5284297 12/03/19 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
So just what does that warranty cover?

That's what I'm wondering. Would like to know the terms of the warranty for specific components.


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Re: I am laughing so hard....not really [Re: JLTD] #5284385 12/03/19 07:32 PM
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To the OP, IMO I would not be putting any large amount of money into the Liberty. Even if your wife loves it, it can turn out to be a money pit quickly.


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Re: I am laughing so hard....not really [Re: JLTD] #5284530 12/03/19 11:13 PM
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Warranty?


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Re: I am laughing so hard....not really [Re: JLTD] #5284540 12/03/19 11:58 PM
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I'm guessing this is a 3.7L? Once the engine has been run hot.....It WILL drop a valve seat in the near future! 4.7L & 3.7L Chrysler engines are so bad I won't touch one with a 10 foot pole & warranty it!


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Re: I am laughing so hard....not really [Re: JLTD] #5284638 12/04/19 06:16 AM
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The dealership probably wants to replace the whole engine just to eliminate comebacks. With over 150k miles, it's likely that you'll have some unrelated failure a few months from now, such as a leaking oil pan gasket, and they don't want you coming back and blaming them for it.


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Re: I am laughing so hard....not really [Re: JLTD] #5284687 12/04/19 07:28 AM
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Pretty sure their plan is:

1. Tell him it needs a new engine for a number he won't want to spend.
2. Tell him we can get him "the deal of a lifetime" with "no money down" and "lower your monthly payment" on a brand new car from their lot. grin2

I was at the BMW dealer for a recall and had a sales guy approach me and say "I can lower your monthly payment and get you into a newer vehicle TODAY!" I was like well my monthly payment right now is zero, and has been since I've owned the car, so if you can do less than zero I'll bite. Do people really fall for this??

I'd get a second opinion on the engine, although I do tend to agree that an overheated 3.7 is not something you want to put money on.


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Re: I am laughing so hard....not really [Re: bullwinkle] #5284690 12/04/19 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Lolvoguy
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Hmm yeah this ine vehicle got switched over at around 120k so it's had 34,000 miles to chew through the head gasket. I can only imagine the rest of the seals will fail in short order. LOL


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The way you described it-"no heat" multiple times, I would have guessed HG trouble right away. Have they even torn into it to see if the heads are good or not? It might not be that hard to repair, since the coolant has likely been sucked in & burned, and the engine has not been overheated multiple times. Guessing this is under the wonderful "lifetime" powertrain warranty? If the engine is truly toast, the stealership likely hastened its demise by not diagnosing it correctly to begin with.


I would be with you there, except that the HVAC issues at first were that we couldn't change where the air went, (manifold) and at one point it was set to hot and only blew hot air, would not change(control panel). While the dash was out they found the heater core had a very small leak so it was replaced, then later replaced again. Plus the vehicle used no coolant until this most recent episode.


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Re: I am laughing so hard....not really [Re: jeepman3071] #5284703 12/04/19 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jeepman3071
Pretty sure their plan is:

1. Tell him it needs a new engine for a number he won't want to spend.
2. Tell him we can get him "the deal of a lifetime" with "no money down" and "lower your monthly payment" on a brand new car from their lot. grin2

I was at the BMW dealer for a recall and had a sales guy approach me and say "I can lower your monthly payment and get you into a newer vehicle TODAY!" I was like well my monthly payment right now is zero, and has been since I've owned the car, so if you can do less than zero I'll bite. Do people really fall for this??

I'd get a second opinion on the engine, although I do tend to agree that an overheated 3.7 is not something you want to put money on.


Fall for it? I don't know if I'd say they're falling for anything. The dealership sells cars and they have an opportunity to fulfill a customer need for a new or used vehicle. Not everyone has 10k laying around to dump on a vehicle which might be worth a little more than that.


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Re: I am laughing so hard....not really [Re: BMWTurboDzl] #5284733 12/04/19 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted by jeepman3071
Pretty sure their plan is:

1. Tell him it needs a new engine for a number he won't want to spend.
2. Tell him we can get him "the deal of a lifetime" with "no money down" and "lower your monthly payment" on a brand new car from their lot. grin2

I was at the BMW dealer for a recall and had a sales guy approach me and say "I can lower your monthly payment and get you into a newer vehicle TODAY!" I was like well my monthly payment right now is zero, and has been since I've owned the car, so if you can do less than zero I'll bite. Do people really fall for this??

I'd get a second opinion on the engine, although I do tend to agree that an overheated 3.7 is not something you want to put money on.


Fall for it? I don't know if I'd say they're falling for anything. The dealership sells cars and they have an opportunity to fulfill a customer need for a new or used vehicle. Not everyone has 10k laying around to dump on a vehicle which might be worth a little more than that.



Fall for the trap of a lower monthly payment (and more interest over time, more debt, etc).


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Originally Posted by jeepman3071
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted by jeepman3071
Pretty sure their plan is:

1. Tell him it needs a new engine for a number he won't want to spend.
2. Tell him we can get him "the deal of a lifetime" with "no money down" and "lower your monthly payment" on a brand new car from their lot. grin2

I was at the BMW dealer for a recall and had a sales guy approach me and say "I can lower your monthly payment and get you into a newer vehicle TODAY!" I was like well my monthly payment right now is zero, and has been since I've owned the car, so if you can do less than zero I'll bite. Do people really fall for this??

I'd get a second opinion on the engine, although I do tend to agree that an overheated 3.7 is not something you want to put money on.


Fall for it? I don't know if I'd say they're falling for anything. The dealership sells cars and they have an opportunity to fulfill a customer need for a new or used vehicle. Not everyone has 10k laying around to dump on a vehicle which might be worth a little more than that.



Fall for the trap of a lower monthly payment (and more interest over time, more debt, etc).


Exactly and with loan terms going for 7-8 years, most people walking into a dealership have a monthly payment.

That's why the line "I can lower your monthly payments" works.


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