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Re: The Cure for NASCAR [Re: c502cid] #5234333 10/08/19 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by c502cid
It didn't kill Nascar but it put the nail in the coffin..... Toyota.

Toyota is an interesting question under my rules. What would they run? A 6 cyl turbo Supra? What about other manufacturers not currently competing? Hybrids? Let the manufacturers and teams innovate.

The tire limitations would create a natural limit for useable HP. Then the development goes in a HP/LB direction. Maybe a 500 HP blown 4 would be the best engine. Who knows? Let’s find out.

Chevy sold 2000 Z/28 Camaros last time around. That would be a good number for homologation.


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Re: The Cure for NASCAR [Re: Indydriver] #5234957 10/09/19 02:13 PM
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If they got rid of the Stages and the Chase would be a huge improvement.


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Re: The Cure for NASCAR [Re: Indydriver] #5234958 10/09/19 02:16 PM
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If they got rid of the Stages and the Chase would be a huge improvement.


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Re: The Cure for NASCAR [Re: Indydriver] #5238108 10/12/19 08:32 PM
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I'm into Stage Rally and Indy, but I do watch some NASCAR as my wife is a fan.

My observation is that the cars are not "stock" anymore but a platform like Indy, which makes more sense there as its open wheel. At least in rally, the phrase "What wins on Sunday, Sells on Monday" still applies and while sure people bring up Dale Sr is been dead for 18 years, he comes from the era where that is still true and that died with it.

Re: The Cure for NASCAR [Re: danez_yoda] #5238403 10/13/19 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by danez_yoda
Anytime there is competition, people will cheat. They call it bending the rules but its still cheating.

Ford, chevy and dodge will make a special (limited edition, they make 20 or so) cars that are specifically designed for the Nascar race and barely street legal.


Just like in the "Good old Days !"

Re: The Cure for NASCAR [Re: Indydriver] #5238827 10/13/19 08:55 PM
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Run them like the Australian V8 Super cars. They look more stock than NASCAR cars look and are very safe.


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Re: The Cure for NASCAR [Re: johnnydc] #5238916 10/13/19 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnydc
Run them like the Australian V8 Super cars. They look more stock than NASCAR cars look and are very safe.


I would not be opposed to this, I watched Bathurst last night and I was on pins and needles willing Scotty to win.


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Re: The Cure for NASCAR [Re: bdcardinal] #5239037 10/14/19 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bdcardinal
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Run them like the Australian V8 Super cars. They look more stock than NASCAR cars look and are very safe.


I would not be opposed to this, I watched Bathurst last night and I was on pins and needles willing Scotty to win.


I wouldn't be opposed to this idea either. I remember when I discovered this series, Craig Lowndes had the coolest car back then, "The green eyed monster".


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Re: The Cure for NASCAR [Re: Indydriver] #5239203 10/14/19 09:56 AM
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I still love the sport and have been a fan for ages, the only thing I HATE is the fact that Toyota is in there with a Camry and spending millions to line the right pockets. Toyota and the whole "chase" format is what killed NASCAR. Take those two out and the sport would grow slowly again.

Bring Dodge back with the awesome sports cars they make now and have them run with the Camaro and Mustang. Those are real, rear wheel drive american sports cars and that is what people want to see. Sure they aren't even close to stock and due to technology and safety requirements, they never will be.

No "Chase" BS and none of this crap where a driver can be mediocre all year, barely win a single race all season and then come and steal the championship in the last 4 races. (I;e Kyle Busch and Joey Logano)

Add more tracks like the ROVAL, switch it up more and lose all the 1.5 mile boring races!


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Re: The Cure for NASCAR [Re: KE7JFF] #5240404 10/15/19 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KE7JFF
I'm into Stage Rally and Indy, but I do watch some NASCAR as my wife is a fan.

At least in rally, the phrase "What wins on Sunday, Sells on Monday" still applies


EXACTLY! thumbsup

And although many on here will bring up that actual WRC cars are also "far from stock", they are at least BASED on the unibodies of base, econoboxes, and not purpose built from the ground up, tube frames, or carbon composite chassis, with mandated, FAR from stock, 'silhouette' bodies on them.

They must also be street legal enough to be able to be driven on OPEN public roads for the transits between the competitive, full speed special stages.

They also compete on (yes closed to the public for the events, of course) actual public tarmac roads, or forestry gravel roads (or frozen lakes in the case of the Swedish round), and NOT glass smooth ovals or road courses. wink drive


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Re: The Cure for NASCAR [Re: Indydriver] #5246382 10/21/19 07:39 PM
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ok yes thats fine. BUT you still dont have gentlemen in the car.

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ok yes thats fine. BUT you still dont have gentlemen in the car.



???


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Re: The Cure for NASCAR [Re: dailydriver] #5247293 10/22/19 04:51 PM
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ok yes thats fine. BUT you still dont have gentlemen in the car.



???


Ya last I checked all drivers in the 3 national touring series weren't considered gentleman drivers except for some one offs in road courses and maybe the Truck race at Eldora.


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Re: The Cure for NASCAR [Re: racin4ds] #5247371 10/22/19 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by racin4ds
I still love the sport and have been a fan for ages, the only thing I HATE is the fact that Toyota is in there with a Camry and spending millions to line the right pockets. Toyota and the whole "chase" format is what killed NASCAR. Take those two out and the sport would grow slowly again.

Bring Dodge back with the awesome sports cars they make now and have them run with the Camaro and Mustang. Those are real, rear wheel drive american sports cars and that is what people want to see. Sure they aren't even close to stock and due to technology and safety requirements, they never will be.

No "Chase" BS and none of this crap where a driver can be mediocre all year, barely win a single race all season and then come and steal the championship in the last 4 races. (I;e Kyle Busch and Joey Logano)

Add more tracks like the ROVAL, switch it up more and lose all the 1.5 mile boring races!



^^^^^^^^^^

Great post .. .


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Re: The Cure for NASCAR [Re: Indydriver] #5248548 10/24/19 12:13 AM
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I had no problem with Toyota getting into NASCAR, however I wished that other manufacturers joined too...

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