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Top three based on known specs. #5164194 07/18/19 10:24 AM
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I am kind of curious what the board thinks in general are the top 3 engine oils with price being considered and where no price consideration is given. I would also like these oils to have the best published specs regarding HTHS, NOACK, TBN etc. The combination of specifications and price whether high or low should render an interesting list. Lets go with 5W30 as a basis and API class unimportant for this list. Any Takers?


'16 Tiguan TSI Ravenol VST 5W40
'15 VW Golf TDI Ravenol VMP 5W30
'15 VW Golf Sportwagen TDI VMP 5W30
'14 Dodge Grand Caravan 3.6 Red Line Blue Label 5W20
'64 Plymouth Fury440 Red Line Blue Label 10W40
Re: Top three based on known specs. [Re: sloinker] #5164216 07/18/19 11:13 AM
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Re: Top three based on known specs. [Re: sloinker] #5164225 07/18/19 11:19 AM
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Best at what? Protection? Fuel economy? Price? Cleanliness? Interval? No bite here for sure.

Re: Top three based on known specs. [Re: sloinker] #5164228 07/18/19 11:24 AM
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sloinker, you do realize that the performance quality of any given oil in a particular engine may not reflect the best published specs, right? A good analogy is from years past when some HDEO oils had higher starting TBN than others (i.e., 14 vs 10) causing some people to assume that the 14 TBN oil was the better of the two. After an OCI, it was found out that the finished TBN of the 14 oil ended up at 7 while the 10 TBN oil didn't drop below 9. This may have been for many reasons: maybe base stock quality, additive quality, additive synergy, who knows.

The bottom line is you cannot determine the best 3 oils without extensive testing of multiple oils in multiple engines under multiple use scenarios. The guys at the oil labs will tell you they cannot determine the silver bullet even with tens of thousands of tests under their belt. I believe we learned that during the first decade of BITOG. That is what I think.

Re: Top three based on known specs. [Re: sloinker] #5164246 07/18/19 11:49 AM
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Off Shelf WalMart:
Best value: ST Syn
Best oil: Mobil1 (any), Penzoil Syn (any), Quaker State Syn (any), Castrol Syn (any), and any other syn at WM I didn't mention.

Today there is no best oil. Three UOA's on each oil in YOUR engine might give you a clue for YOUR engine. It really doesn't matter because the engine will outlast the vehicle or your interest in it.


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2000 4Runner 3.4 - SuperTech Syn 5w-30/Toyota
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Re: Top three based on known specs. [Re: ka9mnx] #5164252 07/18/19 11:54 AM
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And just to add, what evidence is there that any one fully formulated and appropriately rated oil is statistically "better" than another? The evidence on here that I have seen shows the opposite.


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Re: Top three based on known specs. [Re: sloinker] #5164258 07/18/19 12:01 PM
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I guess I'm looking for subjective opinion coupled with some measurable specification. I don't dispute there are non linear results within specifications. I limited the choice to 5W30 to narrow the data and non-api/ilsac etc to keep it simpler.

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'16 Tiguan TSI Ravenol VST 5W40
'15 VW Golf TDI Ravenol VMP 5W30
'15 VW Golf Sportwagen TDI VMP 5W30
'14 Dodge Grand Caravan 3.6 Red Line Blue Label 5W20
'64 Plymouth Fury440 Red Line Blue Label 10W40
Re: Top three based on known specs. [Re: sloinker] #5164279 07/18/19 12:29 PM
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You want subjective opinion ?

Re: Top three based on known specs. [Re: 4WD] #5164287 07/18/19 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 4WD
You want subjective opinion ?

Sure, many Amsoil/Pennzoil/Supertech/etc... fans on the board. Couple what you like subjectively with some published specs to support your antecdotal bias. Apply economy or price no object and see what it represents.


'16 Tiguan TSI Ravenol VST 5W40
'15 VW Golf TDI Ravenol VMP 5W30
'15 VW Golf Sportwagen TDI VMP 5W30
'14 Dodge Grand Caravan 3.6 Red Line Blue Label 5W20
'64 Plymouth Fury440 Red Line Blue Label 10W40
Re: Top three based on known specs. [Re: sloinker] #5164307 07/18/19 12:52 PM
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I gravitate towards the otc moly rich oils. Pennzoil,Quaker State.


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Re: Top three based on known specs. [Re: sloinker] #5164320 07/18/19 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sloinker
I guess I'm looking for subjective opinion coupled with some measurable specification. I don't dispute there are non linear results within specifications. I limited the choice to 5W30 to narrow the data and non-api/ilsac etc to keep it simpler.

The only measurable specification is the number of approvals, certifications and licenses the oil holds. No one on here is capable of looking at a PDS or VOA/UOA and saying that one oil with one certification is better than another oil with the same cert.

If you believe you have an engine or operating environment that is demanding then buy an oil that meets a demanding approval. I use Castrol 0W-40 in my old Sienna because the gear-driven camshafts have shown to shear the oil and the high temperature of the rear bank and poor PCV system has been shown to cause oxidative thickening. Castrol 0W-40 has Porsche A40 approval which is one of the most demanding approval in existence and addresses both issues.

That's a measurable specification and if you wish to apply it to 5W-30 oils you still can.


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Re: Top three based on known specs. [Re: sloinker] #5164366 07/18/19 01:50 PM
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Most topics on this board are debated endlessly, although healthy debate is good and I appreciate all the differing opinions. However, I doubt you'll get much consensus on this one without some qualifiers. As a matter of fact, I was inspired to add a sig line because of it.


Put 2 BITOGers together and you'll get 3 opinions
Re: Top three based on known specs. [Re: sloinker] #5164367 07/18/19 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by sloinker
Originally Posted by 4WD
You want subjective opinion ?

Sure, many Amsoil/Pennzoil/Supertech/etc... fans on the board. Couple what you like subjectively with some published specs to support your antecdotal bias. Apply economy or price no object and see what it represents.

I keep my vehicles forever and you can see what I'm using. Lowest mileage vehicle is 86k and highest is 255k. I was a M1 user for 40 years. Best bang for the buck for me is ST and I don't feel I'm sacrificing anything.

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2000 4Runner 3.4 - SuperTech Syn 5w-30/Toyota
1997 B2500 Van 3.9 - M1 HM 10w-30/Mopar
1993 F150 4.9 - SuperTech Syn 5w-30/Motorcraft
Re: Top three based on known specs. [Re: aquariuscsm] #5164377 07/18/19 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
I gravitate towards the otc moly rich oils. Pennzoil,Quaker State.

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2005 Ranger 3.0 - SuperTech Syn 5w-30/Motorcraft
2000 4Runner 3.4 - SuperTech Syn 5w-30/Toyota
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1993 F150 4.9 - SuperTech Syn 5w-30/Motorcraft
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