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Oil for DI #5137567
06/18/19 01:57 PM
06/18/19 01:57 PM
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South Texas
Coastie05 Offline OP
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Hey everyone,
About 1.5 weeks ago I traded my Civic for a left over 2018 Pilot. The Pilot is my first DI engine and I was wondering what oil people are using that have DI engines? Would I be fine to continue to use Valvoline Full Synthetic or Mobile 1 AFE Full Synthetic?


2018 Honda Pilot EX AWD
2013 Honda CRV EX
2014 Honda Civic LX (sold)
2001 Acura Integra GSR (sold)
Re: Oil for DI [Re: Coastie05] #5137577
06/18/19 02:14 PM
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Prosper, TX
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Those are both D1G2 SN+ oils. Either will work fine following the Honda Maintenance Minder. Use whatever is cheapest.


Mine-2018 Chevy Silverado LT Z71 5.3L-M1 AFE 0W-20 / PF63E
Wife-2016 Toyota 4Runner SR5 Premium 4.0L-M1 AFE 0W-20 / 04152-YZZA5
Kiddo-2012 Honda Civic LX 1.8L-PP 0W-20 / TG7317
Re: Oil for DI [Re: Coastie05] #5137611
06/18/19 02:54 PM
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Texas
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You'll be fine with any good synthetic 0W20 oil but also make sure you use top tier gas. Top tier gas is gas with detergent additives that exceeds the minimum EPA standard. It's not an octane rating. You can look up gas stations that sell top tier gas. Shell & Exxon are popular gas stations that sell top tier gas. Honda V6s has VCM and using a good oil as well as top tier gas definitely will help keep the engine clean.

Last edited by Eddddd; 06/18/19 02:55 PM.
Re: Oil for DI [Re: Coastie05] #5137627
06/18/19 03:07 PM
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I would disregard the computer monitored OCI and do it every 5K miles with full synthetic (if you want to keep the car) This has stood me well in the many cars I've had.

Re: Oil for DI [Re: Coastie05] #5137638
06/18/19 03:17 PM
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South Texas
Coastie05 Offline OP
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Thanks for the input! I'll keep using Valvoline as my primary and Mobile 1 AFE as my secondary. I always change my oil at 7,500 miles unless the MM goes off before that mileage. I usually use the same Valero gas station (most of the time the same pump). Valero is top tier, so I'll keep doing that. I transfer next summer, so wherever I go I will make sure to find out what gas stations are top tier and use those. How do y'all feel about fuel additives that claim to "clean" the fuel system? Are those even worth it?

Last edited by Coastie05; 06/18/19 03:19 PM.

2018 Honda Pilot EX AWD
2013 Honda CRV EX
2014 Honda Civic LX (sold)
2001 Acura Integra GSR (sold)
Re: Oil for DI [Re: Coastie05] #5137639
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Any SN+ d1G2 oil from a major brand will be fine. The Valvoline is a great choice.

No need for fuel additives. Run the top tier from Valero.


2017 Mazda CX5
Havoline Pro DS 0w20
Roki OEM filter.
Re: Oil for DI [Re: Coastie05] #5137725
06/18/19 05:06 PM
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Central Texas
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Fuel additives aren't going to replace using top tier gas vendor. I started using additives on top of that, but now I just use it maybe twice a year for flushing the injector tip.

I think you will get a heck of a lot of life (well beyond the warranty) out of your Honda motor's bearings even on a 20 weight oil.

Personally, I would pick an oil that is resistant to deposit formation and will not drop its HTHS viscosity to below 2.7 over the OCI.

That might corner you into something that isn't "energy conserving," but it's my recommendation.

Last edited by Brian553; 06/18/19 05:09 PM.
Re: Oil for DI [Re: Coastie05] #5137766
06/18/19 06:21 PM
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The noack level is what you are concerned with. You can also install a oil catch can. The lighter the oil the more oil passes through the PCV valve. They also make oil that targets DI engines.

https://www.drivenracingoil.com/direct-injection-oils.html

Last edited by Bill_W; 06/18/19 06:23 PM.

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Re: Oil for DI [Re: Bill_W] #5137833
06/18/19 07:47 PM
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New England
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Originally Posted by Bill_W
The noack level is what you are concerned with. You can also install a oil catch can. The lighter the oil the more oil passes through the PCV valve. They also make oil that targets DI engines.

https://www.drivenracingoil.com/direct-injection-oils.html


With no approvals to speak of, that's the last oil he should be using on a brand new vehicle. Name brand oils with API and manufacturer specifications is what he should use so he can maintain his warranty.

Re: Oil for DI [Re: Bill_W] #5137852
06/18/19 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill_W
The noack level is what you are concerned with. You can also install a oil catch can. The lighter the oil the more oil passes through the PCV valve. They also make oil that targets DI engines.

https://www.drivenracingoil.com/direct-injection-oils.html


In addition to an oil with a low noack, I also think it's beneficial to choose an oil with a low amount of sulfated ash too. That's why I don't feel M1 0w40 is a good choice for a DI engine, with it's 1.34% SA level.


2018 Corvette, 13k, M1 ESP Formula 5w30 & NAPA Gold
2006 Civic EX Coupe, 151k, PUP 5w20 & Fram Ultra
2010 BMW 328i X-Drive,116k, GC 0w40 & Fram Ultra

Re: Oil for DI [Re: Coastie05] #5137896
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Congratulations on your Honda Pilot - I have a Ridgeline so same engine and close to the same vehicle. For your DI engine you want low calcium, low ash, high Moly/Zinc and low Noack.

You will need to a run 0W-20 SN + oil for your warranty period. After the warranty is up you might want to look around experiment with some other choices. I have run M1 0W-40 Euro - just to see how the engine behaved, and it ran extremely well on this oil. I would not run this oil as my standard because of the high calcium levels but as a test it worked very well - no issues detected with the VVT.

I am waiting to see a VOA on the new Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0W-40 New Formula API SN+ , one of the first Euro oils with an SN+ rating. This might be a good fit for DI engines depending on its properties.

I would think the MM will go off before your 7,500 mile OCI target, mine goes off around 6,000 miles. If you have an AWD version the rear differential oil will need it's first changing around 12,000 miles (B16 Maintenance Code - Oil Change, Tire Rotation - Diff Fluid) - this is an easy DIY job - easier than an oil change. You will two quarts of Honda Dual Pump II Differential Fluid - two different size crush washers and a bottle hand pump all available on Amazon for about $30. Just document your work and your good to go and will save yourself ~$300 from the dealership.

Re: Oil for DI [Re: Coastie05] #5138147
06/19/19 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Coastie05
Hey everyone,
About 1.5 weeks ago I traded my Civic for a left over 2018 Pilot. The Pilot is my first DI engine and I was wondering what oil people are using that have DI engines? Would I be fine to continue to use Valvoline Full Synthetic or Mobile 1 AFE Full Synthetic?

Did they resolve VCM issue in this current generation?
If you are not sure, full synthetic and 5k OCI. Valvoline is fine, I personally like Mobil1 EP due to higher PAO %.


15' Toyota Sienna AWD (Mobil1 5W30 EP+OEM filter).
11' VW Tiguan 2.0T (Castrol 0W40+MANN filter)
Re: Oil for DI [Re: edyvw] #5138286
06/19/19 09:25 AM
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Texas
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Yes. The current VCM, which I believe is the 3rd iteration, is much more reliable and corrected the shortcomings that version #1 and version #2 had. As with any new engine technology that gets introduce, there are sometime bugs that need to be worked out. I am just surprised at Honda's Quality Control and they had to go through that to get it right. It also seem they didn't learn their lesson and now going through the same mess with their 1.5L Turbo Engines which I am sure they'll get right after going through some Guinea Pigs.

Re: Oil for DI [Re: edyvw] #5138287
06/19/19 09:26 AM
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Yes. The current VCM, which I believe is the 3rd iteration, is much more reliable and corrected the shortcomings that version #1 and version #2 had. As with any new engine technology that gets introduce, there are sometime bugs that need to be worked out. I am just surprised at Honda's Quality Control and they had to go through that to get it right. It also seem they didn't learn their lesson and now going through the same mess with their 1.5L Turbo Engines which I am sure they'll get right after going through some Guinea Pigs.

Re: Oil for DI [Re: Coastie05] #5142243
06/23/19 09:17 PM
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Arizona
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Pennzoil Ultra Platinum. It has a very low volatility comparable to Amsoil, and it's priced very well.

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