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Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: Miller88] #5050905
03/22/19 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Miller88
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by billt460
Hopefully my Wal-Mart will be getting some in. Right now I'm running 0W-20 Mobil 1 in my 2018 2.5L Camry. It will be ready for it's Spring oil change next month.


Arizona in the summer ... that sounds perfect weather for keeping 0W-20 in it. grin2


Truth! I don't trust this water oil. I'm going to stick with heavy 0w-20!

Also , there is a Supertech branded 0w-16 available

Everyone did the same thing when Xw20 came out. Too thin, this this that, the sky is falling. I'm quite excited to see how this stuff pans out

Last edited by SnowDrifter; 03/22/19 12:28 PM.

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Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: OFFRD] #5050907
03/22/19 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by OFFRD
The question that needs to be asked is: When developing an oil spec for an engine, are the manufacturer's interests and the consumer's interests the same?
(Cheat sheet: The answer is no.)


I'm sure that Toyota is just itching to have a repeat of the late 90s/early 2000s "Sludgemaker" debacle. And Honda is earnestly looking for another engine to join the 1.5L Turbo in the "Disastrous Fuel Diluter" Hall of Shame. Yep, wide-spread hosing-over of customers, that's the way to bring back repeat buyers, and ensure long-term business success!


18 Prius Two-Eco (L-Ion Batt), Mag Grey, 4000 miles (M1 AFE 0W-20).
07 Avalon XLS, Cassis Pearl, only 70k miles (M1 EP 5w-30).
04 Prius, Black, 200k miles (M1 EP 5w-30). 2006-2019 --RIP 😥
Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: PimTac] #5050916
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Originally Posted by PimTac
According to the SDS, AFE 0w16 is 70-80% PAO and 10-20% GTL

Sounds like the makings of a reliable, robust and durable oil.


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Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: ekpolk] #5050922
03/22/19 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ekpolk
Originally Posted by PimTac
According to the SDS, AFE 0w16 is 70-80% PAO and 10-20% GTL

Sounds like the makings of a reliable, robust and durable oil.



I would agree and thanks for injecting some common sense in this thread. It’s been the same squawking since 5w30 became the norm. Too thin! Too thin!!


2017 Mazda CX5
Havoline Pro DS 0w20
Roki OEM filter.
Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: The Critic] #5050977
03/22/19 01:34 PM
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I’m curious as to why Mobil only uses a pao base stock in their 0W20 and 0W16 oils while using group three base stocks in all their others?


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Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
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Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: ekpolk] #5050980
03/22/19 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ekpolk
Originally Posted by OFFRD
The question that needs to be asked is: When developing an oil spec for an engine, are the manufacturer's interests and the consumer's interests the same?
(Cheat sheet: The answer is no.)


I'm sure that Toyota is just itching to have a repeat of the late 90s/early 2000s "Sludgemaker" debacle. And Honda is earnestly looking for another engine to join the 1.5L Turbo in the "Disastrous Fuel Diluter" Hall of Shame. Yep, wide-spread hosing-over of customers, that's the way to bring back repeat buyers, and ensure long-term business success!


Consider how many of those sludgers were first-owner vehicles? Most people drive till thy are paid off, and a year later trade them for new again. As long as the car can make it to 100K, they are golden and will have repeat buyers. Even the lowly crap put out by GM has people returning for more. In many cases, that “long term hosing” Of customers is paying off enough to keep them coming back. Average Joe consumer is not like the people on here who obsess over a drop of oil on the driveway. They gas, drive, and once or twice a year, wash. Then pay off, trade and repeat. OFFRD’s question is legitimate. While I am sure the oil is robust and probably won’t blow anything up right off, I highly doubt it’s being used for longevity reasons.


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Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: The Critic] #5050983
03/22/19 01:41 PM
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LOL another Mobil 1 oil to join the Mobil 1 AP hall of fame!


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In: Havoline Pro DS 10w-30 Purolator PureOne 3-14-19 129693
2006 Duramax 75175
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: aquariuscsm] #5050985
03/22/19 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
I’m curious as to why Mobil only uses a pao base stock in their 0W20 and 0W16 oils while using group three base stocks in all their others?




I thought all M1 oils had some PAO depending on the product line?


2017 Mazda CX5
Havoline Pro DS 0w20
Roki OEM filter.
Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #5050988
03/22/19 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
LOL another Mobil 1 oil to join the Mobil 1 AP hall of fame!




I doubt it. Several new cars are already calling forvthis grade. The Camry still sells a lot despite the slowing sales of sedans.


2017 Mazda CX5
Havoline Pro DS 0w20
Roki OEM filter.
Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: Propflux01] #5050990
03/22/19 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Propflux01
Originally Posted by ekpolk
Originally Posted by OFFRD
The question that needs to be asked is: When developing an oil spec for an engine, are the manufacturer's interests and the consumer's interests the same?
(Cheat sheet: The answer is no.)


I'm sure that Toyota is just itching to have a repeat of the late 90s/early 2000s "Sludgemaker" debacle. And Honda is earnestly looking for another engine to join the 1.5L Turbo in the "Disastrous Fuel Diluter" Hall of Shame. Yep, wide-spread hosing-over of customers, that's the way to bring back repeat buyers, and ensure long-term business success!


Consider how many of those sludgers were first-owner vehicles? Most people drive till thy are paid off, and a year later trade them for new again. As long as the car can make it to 100K, they are golden and will have repeat buyers. Even the lowly crap put out by GM has people returning for more. In many cases, that “long term hosing” Of customers is paying off enough to keep them coming back. Average Joe consumer is not like the people on here who obsess over a drop of oil on the driveway. They gas, drive, and once or twice a year, wash. Then pay off, trade and repeat. OFFRD’s question is legitimate. While I am sure the oil is robust and probably won’t blow anything up right off, I highly doubt it’s being used for longevity reasons.

Toyota was kind of late the the XW-20 train in the US/Canada, but Honda and Ford vehicles have been seeing hundreds of thousands of trouble free miles using 5W-20. There was the problem with Honda VCM engines slugging conventional oils, but with the higher standards for 0W-20 and 0W-16 oils I doubt that will ever be an issue again.

Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: aquariuscsm] #5050998
03/22/19 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
I’m curious as to why Mobil only uses a pao base stock in their 0W20 and 0W16 oils while using group three base stocks in all their others?


They seem to use PAO in varying quantities in all of their 0w-xx lubes from what I recall. There is less of it in the heavier ones like 0w-30 and 0w-40, likely because they can get away with it.


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Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: The Critic] #5051003
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I just saw the SDS for 5w30. It has 20-30% PAO


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Roki OEM filter.
Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: PimTac] #5051012
03/22/19 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PimTac
I just saw the SDS for 5w30. It has 20-30% PAO


Yes, they seem to use it in varying quantities in some of their other grades as well, but I believe it is in all of the 0w-xx's to some degree unless that's changed.


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2016 Grand Cherokee SRT - Ravenol SSL 0w-40, FRAM Ultra
Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: aquariuscsm] #5051022
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Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
I’m curious as to why Mobil only uses a pao base stock in their 0W20 and 0W16 oils while using group three base stocks in all their others?

When the oil gets thinner, you need to use higher-quality base stocks to be able to meet the Noack and CCS.

Mobil Super 0W-16 and Exxon Mobil TGMO 0W-16 are GTL and M1 0W-16 is PAO, apparently now with a small amount of GTL.

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Re: Mobil 1 0W-16 [Re: OVERKILL] #5051063
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
I’m curious as to why Mobil only uses a pao base stock in their 0W20 and 0W16 oils while using group three base stocks in all their others?


They seem to use PAO in varying quantities in all of their 0w-xx lubes from what I recall. There is less of it in the heavier ones like 0w-30 and 0w-40, likely because they can get away with it.



If they did not feel the need to "get away with it" so ferociously, and used that high PAO/GTL base stock content in their heavier weight oils (along with the ANs/esters they {still? shrug} use in most of their M1 oils), I probably would swear off of all of the high zoot, costlier, PAO/POE boutique oils permanently. wink


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Ravenol REP 5W-30
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Ravenol MTF-2 in the IB6 transaxle
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