Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
My point is that the only thing PUP has over PP is marketing claims. Unless you're willing to blindly believe them, PP is a better oil as it actually is guaranteed to pass actual testing sequences relevant to oil quality and performance.
And the features/guaranteed performance of a d1g2 or B1 oil don't end at GM or Ford engines... there's very little that separates modern internal combustion engines.
Um, what? Are you saying PUP is not SAE licensed, does not meet the SN Plus specification, does not carry the Chrysler MS-6395, Ford WSS-M2C929-A, GM 6094M, 4718M, dexos1 approvals, or various ACEA specs? I'm really not understanding what you mean by that statement at all, as at face value it is completely nonsense. PUP is guaranteed by Pennzoil to "actually pass actual testing sequences relevant to oil quality and performance."
If you don't like those specs or you want something more, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But it's absurd to claim what you appear to be claiming.
You still haven't provided any parameters that you are using to determine exactly what makes PP "better" than PUP.
"There's very little that separates modern internal combustion engines." That statement also makes no sense to me. I'm assuming you are referring to engines for which PP (of any type) would actually work and not throwing, say, commercial diesel engines, two-stroke engines, Wankle engines, or any other number of internal combustion engine designs that are separated by quite a lot from your average passenger car?
Do you possess any information whatsoever as to the performance of the new PUP formula in a real world engine? How are you making these claims? I mean that seriously. Do you have any specifics at all? I don't have any information at all, which is one of the reasons I bought the oil. I'm going to run it in my truck and maybe a couple of vehicles in my fleet at work and get some UOAs back. I already track fuel economy rigorously so I'll have that data point too. I'll be sure to let you know how it does. Until you have some actual data to discuss, I'm not interested. Sorry.