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SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas #4963950
12/28/18 10:34 PM
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Cubey Offline OP
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Does anyone have any knowledge about the Walmart SuperTech oil stabilizer? Is it just basically repackaged Lucas or is it inferior?

I have an old Ford IDI oil burner but still runs great and gets okay mpg. I just like to add Lucas or whatever to slow down the oil consumption.

I use the PSD filter (adds 1qt capacity but filters better and easier to source) so at 11qts, I need 2 bottles to get (almost) 20% like the Lucas instructions say.

It would save a few bucks with Super Tech vs Lucas, if it's actually the same exact product inside the bottle.


2003 Pontiac Vibe - M1 HM 5w30/M1-103 Filter
1988 Honda Elite 250 - Honda GN4 10w40
Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4963954
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There is not really anything inferior to LOS, so...


95 Cherokee 190K DELO 10W30, XG8
07 IS250 104K STP syn HM 10w30, FULL
04 YZF-R1 19K DELO 15w40, XG7317
99 HD XL1200S 21K VR1 20w50, NG1515
14 RX450h 37k Idemitsu 0w20, 57047
Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Dyusik] #4963967
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Originally Posted by Dyusik
There is not really anything inferior to LOS, so...


Yeah yeah, I know there is a lot of hatred here for the product. I'm not trying to ask "should i?". I have used it previously and I'm satisfied with the results it provides.

Even many people who generally dislike it, seem to admit that in old, oil burning diesels, it does in fact reduce oil consumption. And that's all I need.

In an old cast iron 6.9L engine that rolled out burning oil to some degree even when new (so I've read), it's a good place to use it. If it was a 1.3L 4cyl Toyota engine? Maybe not.

Yes a rebuild would be better blahblah but a couple bottles of Lucas is a lot cheaper than an engine rebuild. It's not a show truck. If it runs, gets decent mpg for what it is and burns less oil with Lucas, it's fine by me.

Naturally, I already run HD 15w40 so I can't easily just go to a heavier weight oil (short of gear oil, anyway) like I could if it was a typical gasoline engine that calls for 10w30.

Last edited by Cubey; 12/28/18 11:18 PM.

2003 Pontiac Vibe - M1 HM 5w30/M1-103 Filter
1988 Honda Elite 250 - Honda GN4 10w40
Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4963976
12/28/18 11:32 PM
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How much oil does it consume? My owners manual says 1qt in 750 miles is normal. Mine uses exactly that amount. I have found that a dirty air filter causes oil usage to skyrocket. Even with that big air filter it gets restricted fast.

Oh and the idi hates rotella oil. The best i have found for cutting consumption is valvoline and traveller 15w40. I'd like to run a sae 30 or sae40 in mine but I can't find it with diesel spec around here.

If you want to see one use oil put in a synthetic 5w40! I did and I thought mine was dying! It drank that oil like it was beer.

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02 Wrangler carlube 5w30
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07 fjcruiser Chevron 10w30
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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Chris142] #4963984
12/28/18 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris142
How much oil does it consume? My owners manual says 1qt in 750 miles is normal. Mine uses exactly that amount. I have found that a dirty air filter causes oil usage to skyrocket. Even with that big air filter it gets restricted fast.

Oh and the idi hates rotella oil. The best i have found for cutting consumption is valvoline and traveller 15w40. I'd like to run a sae 30 or sae40 in mine but I can't find it with diesel spec around here.

If you want to see one use oil put in a synthetic 5w40! I did and I thought mine was dying! It drank that oil like it was beer.


I don't know the exact consumption rate but its pretty high. Its a lot more than 1qt per 750 miles in any case. A quart every 250-350 miles depending?

It still gets 10 city/14-15hwy with cheap all terrain tires. It got slightly better with the mismatched, but worn out highway treads it had before. Timing is off or it might get a little better mpg, but that has nothing to do with oil consumption.

I first put Rotella before learning these trucks drink it up. I've since tried Delvac, Motorctaft, MaxLife and Walmart Supertech. I can't say the name brands did any better. I'm going back to SuperTech on my next oil change. It's $10/gallon right now.

Pretty positive that Lucas helps. I only put 10% previously but the first time I did, mid OCI when the level was down, the engine got noticeably less noisy once it circulated through the motor. I might add just 10% right now being winter, but not extremely cold. I can always add another quart if I find it at the "add" mark in a few months. My OCI is pretty long, 6 months. But as much oil as I typically replace, and with the bigger filter, its fine really. At least without the Lucas, I replace a lot.


2003 Pontiac Vibe - M1 HM 5w30/M1-103 Filter
1988 Honda Elite 250 - Honda GN4 10w40
Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4963986
12/29/18 12:03 AM
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Oh and the air filter (wix) is about a year and a half old. It has, I'd guess 12k on it?

I tried replacing the CDR last year but that didn't help either. I should probably clean it up this coming oil change since that's an important thing to do, I have read.

Honestly it seems like the oil is coming past the CDR and going in the intake, since I find oil in the oil filter housing and the intake screen is always oily. Dunno why it would even on a new CDR.


2003 Pontiac Vibe - M1 HM 5w30/M1-103 Filter
1988 Honda Elite 250 - Honda GN4 10w40
Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4963988
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No way could I get 12k out of my air filter. Check yours and replace it if its dirty. See if that brings consumption down.

After about 4 months my restriction gauge goes into the red.

Are you checking the oil according to the book? Fully warmed up and 15 minutes after shut down? Lots of people say that keeping the oil.on "add" helps too.


02 Wrangler carlube 5w30
87 F250 traveler 15w40
07 fjcruiser Chevron 10w30
Z400 castrol T 10w40
Can am maveric edge 5w40
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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4963990
12/29/18 12:10 AM
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ON, Canada eh?
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I've used Lucas in worn out to slow oil burning and to help increase oil pressure in vehicles with worn out oil pumps. That's the only time I would use it, as a bandaid. But to use it as a regular regiment I don't think it has any value. Just me though.


'18 Dodge Grand Caravan GT - 17k KM - AMSOIL SS 0w30
'06 Hyundai Santa Fe - 535k KM (Dead) - AMSOIL SS 0w30
Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Chris142] #4963994
12/29/18 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris142
No way could I get 12k out of my air filter. Check yours and replace it if its dirty. See if that brings consumption down.

After about 4 months my restriction gauge goes into the red.

Are you checking the oil according to the book? Fully warmed up and 15 minutes after shut down? Lots of people say that keeping the oil.on "add" helps too.


My 87 6.9 lacks the restriction gauge so I have nothing to go by.

Yes, I wait 10-15 minutes when its fully warmed up (about 180-185F at idle).

It has gotten below add (!) when I have forgotten to check it (pesky "hot" check requirement!) but it still had a slight amount on the stick. Then it takes a good 2qts (or more? From a gallon jug) to get around mid way in the cross hatch.


2003 Pontiac Vibe - M1 HM 5w30/M1-103 Filter
1988 Honda Elite 250 - Honda GN4 10w40
Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4964005
12/29/18 01:15 AM
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I certainly didn't think these air filters had such a short life. But a little research into the subject seems to confirm it.

I dug up a Fram CA3501 on Amazon for $9.11 with free shipping. I had a $5 rewards balance and a $5 gift card balance, so with tax mixed in, it cost me 4 cents.

I'm not a Fram fan but for 4 cents, I can live with it. Even if I find it doesn't need it right this minute, at least I will have a new filter on hand, literally for pennies.

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2003 Pontiac Vibe - M1 HM 5w30/M1-103 Filter
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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4964013
12/29/18 02:10 AM
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I've never used STOS or LOS however, 40-50 years ago, we use products such as STP or Bardahl etc. But, here's the gripe that most BITOGers know about Lucas or possibly other oil stabilizers...If I am understanding this correctly. smile

In BITOG's own testing, Lucas turns foamy in a controlled environment. And as we all know, our oil pumps can't pump foam...or I should say that foam doesn't lubricate.

Another thing that "those in the know" believe(as I do) is that, oil stabilizers are mostly just a thick oil maybe with some extra additives. And if we need a thicker oil, just put in a thicker oil and spend the money ONCE!

In other words, DON'T spend the money on e.g., a 5W30 OCI and then, spend more money on an oil stabilizer to thicken it up. JUST GET A THICKER OIL and spend the money on your OCI.

Do I understand this correctly?

CB


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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4964045
12/29/18 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Cubey

It still gets 10 city/14-15hwy with cheap all terrain tires. It got slightly better with the mismatched, but worn out highway treads it had before. Timing is off or it might get a little better mpg, but that has nothing to do with oil consumption. .


I think your injection pump is a bit out of time, for sure.

Don't the IDI's lose a degree of timing every 40,000 miles or so?


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(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4964046
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Originally Posted by Cubey

Honestly it seems like the oil is coming past the CDR and going in the intake, since I find oil in the oil filter housing and the intake screen is always oily. Dunno why it would even on a new CDR.


I have NEVER seen a clean one inside.... intake screen is always very gunked up - - apparently the IDI's always have a lot of blowby?


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4964056
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Might try straight 20W50 or if you can find a non racing 60. Have often heard the Lucas OS is a 60W base oil. Not even sure it has additives. I poured some in my car once and ran it a bit. Pulled dipstick and could see what others have said bubbly foam on dipstick so I haven't tried it since.


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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: spk2000] #4964143
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I agree with using 20W50 or at maybe 50/50 of 15W40/20W50 depending on outside temps during the season.


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