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Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: BTLew81] #4838320 08/12/18 04:17 PM
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One you drain the oil out of the oil pan the engine has no memory of which brand of oil you were using during the last oil change interval. Change it up as often as you like, you are not stuck using the same oil you did last time.

Imagine what would happen if oil companies had a way to poison your engine so you had to keep using their brand of oil. That would be extortion.

Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: wdn] #4838357 08/12/18 05:06 PM
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Thinking back on 2010 GMC 5.3L

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Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: irv] #4838385 08/12/18 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: irv
Not up here it isn't, and unlike you guys Stateside, our only choices are 4.4 ltr jugs of Mobil compared to 5 ltr jugs of Pennzoil.

Pricing is by luck and geography, even up here. Look at when Partsource or CT has the special on 4.4+1 L packages for M1. That's almost unbeatable. The difference between the best sale price on M1, PP, Castrol black bottle, and VSP probably would amortise out to $2 over a year's oil changes, if that. Also, it seems the 4.4 L jugs are on their way out.

Look at the distributor side of things in Canada. Imperial Oil seems to do a better job at pricing HDEOs when you buy direct, whereas Shell does a bit better with PCMOs.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: CT8] #4838489 08/12/18 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: CT8
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Either brand is fine, but you should stick with whatever you choose as changing oil chemistry every interval does more harm than good.
That is 100% B.S.


Believe what you want, I don't care. Fleet UOA tests have shown otherwise.

Logic also backs this up. For example: most oils use Boron/Moly based additives for AW, some use Sodium (Valvoline & Royal Purple). There isn't a single oil that uses all 3 types, prove me wrong.

Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: BTLew81] #4838504 08/12/18 07:47 PM
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Valvoline no longer uses sodium since their recent reformulation.


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Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: Garak] #4838544 08/12/18 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: irv
Not up here it isn't, and unlike you guys Stateside, our only choices are 4.4 ltr jugs of Mobil compared to 5 ltr jugs of Pennzoil.

Pricing is by luck and geography, even up here. Look at when Partsource or CT has the special on 4.4+1 L packages for M1. That's almost unbeatable. The difference between the best sale price on M1, PP, Castrol black bottle, and VSP probably would amortise out to $2 over a year's oil changes, if that. Also, it seems the 4.4 L jugs are on their way out.

Look at the distributor side of things in Canada. Imperial Oil seems to do a better job at pricing HDEOs when you buy direct, whereas Shell does a bit better with PCMOs.


You mean this $65.99 deal for one average 4.4 ltr jug plus another 1 ltr bottle where they throw in a T shirt?
http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/mobil-1-synthetic-motor-oil-4-4l-1l-bonus-0999420p.html#srp

No thanks, I'll stick with a 5 ltr jug of Pennzoil for $35 dollars. cheers
http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/pennzoil-platinum-syntheticengine-oil-5-l-0289323p.html#srp

Can't wait to see the prices Mobil when the 5 ltr jugs are introduced up here. Coffee

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Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: HKPolice] #4838551 08/12/18 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: HKPolice
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: HKPolice
Either brand is fine, but you should stick with whatever you choose as changing oil chemistry every interval does more harm than good.
That is 100% B.S.
Believe what you want, I don't care. Fleet UOA tests have shown otherwise.

Logic also backs this up. For example: most oils use Boron/Moly based additives for AW, some use Sodium (Valvoline & Royal Purple). There isn't a single oil that uses all 3 types, prove me wrong.
Fleet UOA tests show what? They certainly will not show wear differences because UOAs cannot do that. What does having all three additives or not having them support? It is simply how additive packs are chosen and formulated by the oil manufacturer. Show me objective and scientific evidence that proves changing oil brands causes more wear.


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Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: 2015_PSD] #4838564 08/12/18 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Originally Posted By: HKPolice
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: HKPolice
Either brand is fine, but you should stick with whatever you choose as changing oil chemistry every interval does more harm than good.
That is 100% B.S.
Believe what you want, I don't care. Fleet UOA tests have shown otherwise.

Logic also backs this up. For example: most oils use Boron/Moly based additives for AW, some use Sodium (Valvoline & Royal Purple). There isn't a single oil that uses all 3 types, prove me wrong.

Fleet UOA tests show what? They certainly will not show wear differences because UOAs cannot do that. What does having all three additives or not having them support? It is simply how additive packs are chosen and formulated by the oil manufacturer. Show me objective and scientific evidence that proves changing oil brands causes more wear.


Good luck, 2015PSD, he's got logic backing this up. crackmeup


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Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: irv] #4838567 08/12/18 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted By: irv
Most on here know my personal thoughts with regards to Mobil oils so I won't get into all the reasons for that other than to say I think Mobil oils are overrated and overpriced.

Will your engine grenade using Mobil oils, I highly doubt it, but I honestly believe many oils exist out there, including Pennzoil, my oil of choice, that are not only cheaper to purchase, but are also a better product.







Well you blew that promise right off the bat and continue to do so.


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Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: PimTac] #4838583 08/12/18 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: irv
Most on here know my personal thoughts with regards to Mobil oils so I won't get into all the reasons for that other than to say I think Mobil oils are overrated and overpriced.

Will your engine grenade using Mobil oils, I highly doubt it, but I honestly believe many oils exist out there, including Pennzoil, my oil of choice, that are not only cheaper to purchase, but are also a better product.







Well you blew that promise right off the bat and continue to do so.


I’ll add to that … Irv and two others on this site sound like nothing more than hacks every time the name Mobil comes up …
Not one ml of objectivity … no real knowledge … Bless OverKill and those who try to reason nicer than I will …
Why not move to Atlanta and work for CNN? They like consistent attacks on a single subject …

Do you feel smarter than so many here with this endless nonsense … ain’t working …

Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: irv] #4838590 08/12/18 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: irv
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: irv
Not up here it isn't, and unlike you guys Stateside, our only choices are 4.4 ltr jugs of Mobil compared to 5 ltr jugs of Pennzoil.

Pricing is by luck and geography, even up here. Look at when Partsource or CT has the special on 4.4+1 L packages for M1. That's almost unbeatable. The difference between the best sale price on M1, PP, Castrol black bottle, and VSP probably would amortise out to $2 over a year's oil changes, if that. Also, it seems the 4.4 L jugs are on their way out.

Look at the distributor side of things in Canada. Imperial Oil seems to do a better job at pricing HDEOs when you buy direct, whereas Shell does a bit better with PCMOs.


You mean this $65.99 deal for one average 4.4 ltr jug plus another 1 ltr bottle where they throw in a T shirt?
http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/mobil-1-synthetic-motor-oil-4-4l-1l-bonus-0999420p.html#srp

No thanks, I'll stick with a 5 ltr jug of Pennzoil for $35 dollars. cheers
http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/pennzoil-platinum-syntheticengine-oil-5-l-0289323p.html#srp

Can't wait to see the prices Mobil when the 5 ltr jugs are introduced up here. Coffee


We've had the 5L jugs up here before, can't recall if it was CT or Walmart, but they were there. Regarding the "deal", I think it's like $39.99 or something when it is on sale? Regular price, for all of them, is insane.


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Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: 4WD] #4838613 08/12/18 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: irv
Most on here know my personal thoughts with regards to Mobil oils so I won't get into all the reasons for that other than to say I think Mobil oils are overrated and overpriced.

Will your engine grenade using Mobil oils, I highly doubt it, but I honestly believe many oils exist out there, including Pennzoil, my oil of choice, that are not only cheaper to purchase, but are also a better product.







Well you blew that promise right off the bat and continue to do so.


What promise was that? I have added nothing new to what I wrote above.


Originally Posted By: 4WD
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: irv
Most on here know my personal thoughts with regards to Mobil oils so I won't get into all the reasons for that other than to say I think Mobil oils are overrated and overpriced.

Will your engine grenade using Mobil oils, I highly doubt it, but I honestly believe many oils exist out there, including Pennzoil, my oil of choice, that are not only cheaper to purchase, but are also a better product.







Well you blew that promise right off the bat and continue to do so.




I’ll add to that … Irv and two others on this site sound like nothing more than hacks every time the name Mobil comes up …
Not one ml of objectivity … no real knowledge … Bless OverKill and those who try to reason nicer than I will …
Why not move to Atlanta and work for CNN? They like consistent attacks on a single subject …

Do you feel smarter than so many here with this endless nonsense … ain’t working …


Sorry if my opinion bothers you so much, 4wd. It seems on here, with a few, if you give unfavorable reviews/opinions of something, it gets a bunch of panties in a knot, but yet some are allowed to spew their opinions even if themselves have nothing that can backup or prove otherwise to what is being said.

Also, I have noticed when having opinion or having a different viewpoint on things than someone else's, one can be labeled a hater if that goes against anyone else's narrative. You not find that odd?

How is what I wrote above answering the OP's question with my personal take on things so offensive to you?

Color me wrong, but I thought that is what this site was for? So people could come on here and share their experiences/reasons with regards to many things?

Personally, if I was you, 4wd, seeing how upsetting my posts are to you, I would just refrain from replying to them?

It's not my intent to get a bunch of panties in a knot just by giving my opinion, but I see some are pretty sensitive on here when certain brands of oil are discussed. coffee



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Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: irv] #4838630 08/12/18 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: irv
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: irv
Most on here know my personal thoughts with regards to Mobil oils so I won't get into all the reasons for that other than to say I think Mobil oils are overrated and overpriced.

Will your engine grenade using Mobil oils, I highly doubt it, but I honestly believe many oils exist out there, including Pennzoil, my oil of choice, that are not only cheaper to purchase, but are also a better product.







Well you blew that promise right off the bat and continue to do so.


What promise was that? I have added nothing new to what I wrote above.


Originally Posted By: 4WD
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: irv
Most on here know my personal thoughts with regards to Mobil oils so I won't get into all the reasons for that other than to say I think Mobil oils are overrated and overpriced.

Will your engine grenade using Mobil oils, I highly doubt it, but I honestly believe many oils exist out there, including Pennzoil, my oil of choice, that are not only cheaper to purchase, but are also a better product.







Well you blew that promise right off the bat and continue to do so.




I’ll add to that … Irv and two others on this site sound like nothing more than hacks every time the name Mobil comes up …
Not one ml of objectivity … no real knowledge … Bless OverKill and those who try to reason nicer than I will …
Why not move to Atlanta and work for CNN? They like consistent attacks on a single subject …

Do you feel smarter than so many here with this endless nonsense … ain’t working …


Sorry if my opinion bothers you so much, 4wd. It seems on here, with a few, if you give unfavorable reviews/opinions of something, it gets a bunch of panties in a knot, but yet some are allowed to spew their opinions even if themselves have nothing that can backup or prove otherwise to what is being said.

Also, I have noticed when having opinion or having a different viewpoint on things than someone else's, one can be labeled a hater if that goes against anyone else's narrative. You not find that odd?

How is what I wrote above answering the OP's question with my personal take on things so offensive to you?

Color me wrong, but I thought that is what this site was for? So people could come on here and share their experiences/reasons with regards to many things?

Personally, if I was you, 4wd, seeing how upsetting my posts are to you, I would just refrain from replying to them?

It's not my intent to get a bunch of panties in a knot just by giving my opinion, but I see some are pretty sensitive on here when certain brands of oil are discussed. coffee




LOL Irv you hit the nail on the head.


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Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: BTLew81] #4838632 08/12/18 10:32 PM
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SInce Mobil stopped making an oil for my applications (BMW), my vote goes to Pennzoil.


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Re: All things equal...Mobil 1 versus pennzoil [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #4838639 08/12/18 10:55 PM
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Not really … he’ll be back tomorrow with this same stuff …

Love it if you like … Again, I use both of these products and several more … this one only OR you are stupid products business looks way too much like the smoking tire garbage in the banner …and I buy that brand too … not exclusively …
What I have in common with you … is looking for several trustworthy brands when the time is right …

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