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Ravenol vs. Redline / for M cars #4815381 07/16/18 08:40 AM
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I'm not familiar with Ravenol...
from Germany...

I've been using Redline for years however....

Any thoughts on the two ester based oil companies' products?
I'm thinking toward the application of BMW M cars....

https://www.redlineoil.com/10w60-motor-oil
https://www.ravenol.de/en/products/usage/d/Product/show/p/ravenol-rss-sae-10w-60.html


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Re: Ravenol vs. Redline / for M cars [Re: 330indy] #4815386 07/16/18 08:47 AM
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I'd use Ravenol over Red Line in a heartbeat.

But I'd take the current incarnation of Castrol TWS over either of them. It was co-developed with your engine. The odds that another oil will have a more important advantage are basically nil.


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Re: Ravenol vs. Redline / for M cars [Re: 330indy] #4815389 07/16/18 08:51 AM
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I think that Redline occupies an interesting niche, as European companies seems to offer non-group three synthetics more readily than they do here. You can find a real PAO based synthetic that is not a boutique oil.

I hate to be cliche but there is no need for a boutique oil on a mostly stock car. TWS 10W60 or Edge Supercar!


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Re: Ravenol vs. Redline / for M cars [Re: 330indy] #4815394 07/16/18 08:57 AM
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Track days? Motul X-Power 10W-60.

Daily driving? Motul X-Cess 5W-40.

But I'd chose Ravenol over Redline any day.


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Re: Ravenol vs. Redline / for M cars [Re: 330indy] #4815397 07/16/18 09:04 AM
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By looking at the published information it seems to me that maybe Red Line uses more esters in its mix versus Ravenol which tends to favor the PAO's. I think either one could be used with success with the Ravenol enjoying certifications the Red Line doesn't have. That being said. I am seriously thinking about the Ravenol for future use over the Red Line I am using now.


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Re: Ravenol vs. Redline / for M cars [Re: 330indy] #4815402 07/16/18 09:08 AM
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There is nothing wrong with either. Another good 10w60 is from Liqui-Moly. It is available at Napa, or they can easily order it.

Re: Ravenol vs. Redline / for M cars [Re: 330indy] #4815413 07/16/18 09:19 AM
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I would use this over either of them anytime.

https://www.amazon.com/Castrol-12064-SUP...strol&psc=1


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Re: Ravenol vs. Redline / for M cars [Re: 330indy] #4815417 07/16/18 09:20 AM
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My local dealer just called me (manhattan BMW) and said they're having a sale on the 10/60 for 5$ a quart! I ordered 4 cases and cleaned them out. Call the dealers and see if they're offering the same. Might be only on sale there since its a corporate owned dealership.


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Re: Ravenol vs. Redline / for M cars [Re: 330indy] #4815473 07/16/18 10:03 AM
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Why folks are so upbeat on Ravenol's perceived superiority? Most likely a novelty factor. It's an average oil in Germany.


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Originally Posted By: Y_K
Why folks are so upbeat on Ravenol's perceived superiority? Most likely a novelty factor. It's an average oil in Germany.

Can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's:

1. Good variety
2. Solid approvals
3. Several ambitious oils (e.g. xW-20s with ACEA A5 and tested against Honda HTO-06)
4. Generally very low Noack numbers, suggesting consistent use of high quality base stocks


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Re: Ravenol vs. Redline / for M cars [Re: 330indy] #4815535 07/16/18 11:24 AM
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I've always liked Redline's philosophy, but for PCMO's, I've never been much of a fan. I also question how much POE they really use, in the past and currently. They lack official approvals and claim to meet specs they clearly can't based on the chemistry they use.

I have heard nothing but good things about Ravenol but have never used it.


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Re: Ravenol vs. Redline / for M cars [Re: buster] #4815564 07/16/18 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: buster
I've always liked Redline's philosophy, but for PCMO's, I've never been much of a fan. I also question how much POE they really use, in the past and currently. They lack official approvals and claim to meet specs they clearly can't based on the chemistry they use.


I think that's why you rarely see their PCMOs mentioned even on this board. Lots of AMSOIL and RP users here, but the only PCMO they offer that gets mentioned on here is their 10W30 because it can be used as a SAE30.


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Re: Ravenol vs. Redline / for M cars [Re: 330indy] #4815568 07/16/18 11:52 AM
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RL PCMO's best attribute, IMO, is it's shear stability. They use little to no VII's and their oils are extremely shear stable, even in fuel diluting engines. The downside has always been their poor TBN retention, although my current understanding of that has changed and I'm not so sure it ever was an issue.

I think RL stands out with their racing oils. They seem to have a great reputation in racing circles.


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i consider Redline one of the best in its class + prolly cheaper + better than Ravenol!!! i replaced all my driveline fluids in my 11 Nissan Frontier with Redline products + picked up 2 mpg as well as more protection. their differential lubes are great as are their oils that are better than needed unless its a hot air cooled motorcycle where Esters perform best for the $$$$

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Originally Posted By: Y_K
Why folks are so upbeat on Ravenol's perceived superiority? Most likely a novelty factor. It's an average oil in Germany.


Its a mid tier oil, nothing special at all or something I would order or go across the street to another store for it. For that matter LM is is on the same level for me, I could have had it cheap any time I want (still can) it but rarely ever used it.
Shell Helix Ultra in the form of PP Euro LX 0w30, Mobil 1 0w30/0w40 ESP and new Castrol Edge 0w30/10w60 is something really worthwhile going out of your way a little for.

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