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#4785234 - 06/12/18 08:13 PM Front brake kit for the hills
schuylkill Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
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I need to replace my front rotors and pads, 2012 Elantra. There are a couple of hills that really heat up the brakes, looking for opinions on whether the extra cash is worth it for drilled rotors for this purpose and if yes worthwhile daily driver brands.
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#4785250 - 06/12/18 08:40 PM Re: Front brake kit for the hills [Re: schuylkill]
slacktide_bitog Offline


Registered: 03/20/08
Posts: 6142
Loc: USA
Drilled rotors are actually not a good idea. The uneven temperatures, and stress concentrations where the holes are drilled often lead to drilled rotors cracking. Just get a set of coated blanks like Centric Premium, Wagner E-shield, or EBC Premium. The ocating does help stop the rust.

For the pads, get Raybestos EHT, Akebono ProACT, or EBC Ultimax "Blackstuff"

Autoanything usually has the best price on EBC if you choose that brand.

Also consider using high-temp fluid like Bosch ESI6, Pentosin LV, Wagner Severe Duty, or Ravenol DOT 5.1. Any of the above have higher boiling points and lower viscosity than ordinary DOT 3. Speed bleeders are awesome smile

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#4785252 - 06/12/18 08:42 PM Re: Front brake kit for the hills [Re: slacktide_bitog]
SatinSilver Offline


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 10128
Loc: OH
Noted for future reference. Thank you.

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#4785264 - 06/12/18 09:03 PM Re: Front brake kit for the hills [Re: schuylkill]
madeej11 Offline


Registered: 06/22/15
Posts: 109
Loc: montreal ,canada
Why would reputable brake companies like EBC, Power Stop, etc.even sell drilled rotors if they are OFTEN prone to cracking ? In fact they even sell their daily driver upgrade kits drilled and slotted.

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#4785269 - 06/12/18 09:14 PM Re: Front brake kit for the hills [Re: madeej11]
E150GT Offline


Registered: 03/11/12
Posts: 1093
Loc: San Antonio, TX
Originally Posted By: madeej11
Why would reputable brake companies like EBC, Power Stop, etc.even sell drilled rotors if they are OFTEN prone to cracking ? In fact they even sell their daily driver upgrade kits drilled and slotted.

Because they can make a buck.
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#4785270 - 06/12/18 09:14 PM Re: Front brake kit for the hills [Re: schuylkill]
maxdustington Offline


Registered: 01/21/17
Posts: 628
Loc: Toronna
If you want more performance, you should get good quality normal rotors.

Akebonos are the most expensive pad on rockauto for my car, I just cannot justify the cost for a high end ceramic pad when I don't care about brake dust. I would rather a performance pad than BITOG's favorite pad for grampa's Camry.

Flush your brakes while you are at it. Just stick with DOT 4, no need for anything fancy.
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#4785273 - 06/12/18 09:17 PM Re: Front brake kit for the hills [Re: slacktide_bitog]
rooflessVW Offline


Registered: 12/24/11
Posts: 4033
Loc: North Carolina
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Drilled rotors are actually not a good idea.

Hmm... You should tell:

Porsche
BMW
Mercedes
Audi
Ferrari
Lamborghini

And countless others. Yes, you may see cracking in drilled rotors - at the end of their life.
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#4785284 - 06/12/18 09:22 PM Re: Front brake kit for the hills [Re: schuylkill]
spasm3 Offline


Registered: 05/30/10
Posts: 8642
Loc: North Carolina
Drilled rotors might, might help with wet weather braking. But with modern quality pads, i'm not even sure that is the case anymore. Drilled rotors have less mass, heat up faster and probably have less brake pad contact area. People buy them for looks, and because they think its high performance.


Edited by spasm3 (06/12/18 09:22 PM)
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#4785286 - 06/12/18 09:25 PM Re: Front brake kit for the hills [Re: schuylkill]
cheesepuffs Offline


Registered: 09/24/13
Posts: 558
Loc: Connecticut
Donít get drilled or slotted rotors, itís a waste of money and actually decreases surface area of the rotor which isnít good. Why do companies sell drilled or slotted rotors for the street in stock rotor sizes? Because people see rotors that look similarly machined on race cars, but that are much bigger and usually these days now carbon-ceramic, and equate the look of these things with better performance, Thereís so many more factors than that though.

Change your fluid for sure if you havenít for a couple years. Old fluid contains moisture that accumulates in the braking system over time, and moisture in the fluid lowers the boiling point of the fluid. Thatís what causes a soft brake pedal, aka brake fade, when the brakes get hot. The heat from the rotors and pads transfers to the caliper and fluid, and the fluid starts to boil. New fluid is key.

For pads, I am using Akebono ProAct right now, and despite what somebody else said about them being for grandpa Camrys, well I doubt they have ever owned these pads before. They are great pads and also have little to no dusting and zero noise which is nice. Ceramic pad have a slightly different feel at the pedal than semi metallics, but I like the stopping power of these Akebonos better than the semi metallics that I had previously.
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#4785287 - 06/12/18 09:26 PM Re: Front brake kit for the hills [Re: rooflessVW]
maxdustington Offline


Registered: 01/21/17
Posts: 628
Loc: Toronna
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Drilled rotors are actually not a good idea.

Hmm... You should tell:

Porsche
BMW
Mercedes
Audi
Ferrari
Lamborghini

And countless others. Yes, you may see cracking in drilled rotors - at the end of their life.


I'll bet those OEM rotors are considerably higher quality than Power Stop and probably EBC too. Nothing is stopping anyone from drilling holes in the cheapest Chinese rotors and marketing them as performance parts.
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#4785291 - 06/12/18 09:29 PM Re: Front brake kit for the hills [Re: rooflessVW]
cheesepuffs Offline


Registered: 09/24/13
Posts: 558
Loc: Connecticut
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Drilled rotors are actually not a good idea.

Hmm... You should tell:

Porsche
BMW
Mercedes
Audi
Ferrari
Lamborghini

And countless others. Yes, you may see cracking in drilled rotors - at the end of their life.


Almost 100% of those cars have carbon-ceramic brakes when you see cross drilling, the rotors are way larger, and they have much more surface area than a stock Hyundai steel rotor to compensate and then some. Itís apples to oranges vs replacing a regular (small) iron blank with rotors that you paid to have swiss-cheesed.
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#4785293 - 06/12/18 09:32 PM Re: Front brake kit for the hills [Re: cheesepuffs]
maxdustington Offline


Registered: 01/21/17
Posts: 628
Loc: Toronna
Originally Posted By: cheesepuffs
For pads, I am using Akebono ProAct right now, and despite what somebody else said about them being for grandpa Camrys, well I doubt they have ever owned these pads before. They are great pads and also have little to no dusting and zero noise which is nice. Ceramic pad have a slightly different feel at the pedal than semi metallics, but I like the stopping power of these Akebonos better than the semi metallics that I had previously.


I said that they were a premium price brake pad. When you get to that price level, you have other options.

If I want more braking performance because I have to drive down hills all the time, why would I buy a high end OE replacement pad when I could get something more suitable?

Stop gatekeeping.
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#4785299 - 06/12/18 09:35 PM Re: Front brake kit for the hills [Re: maxdustington]
cheesepuffs Offline


Registered: 09/24/13
Posts: 558
Loc: Connecticut
Originally Posted By: maxdustington
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Drilled rotors are actually not a good idea.

Hmm... You should tell:

Porsche
BMW
Mercedes
Audi
Ferrari
Lamborghini

And countless others. Yes, you may see cracking in drilled rotors - at the end of their life.


I'll bet those OEM rotors are considerably higher quality than Power Stop and probably EBC too. Nothing is stopping anyone from drilling holes in the cheapest Chinese rotors and marketing them as performance parts.


Exactly. Companies make tons of money selling ďhot air intakesĒ to people that donít know any better either. Doesnít make it a legit improvement to your car just because itís available.
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#4785302 - 06/12/18 09:39 PM Re: Front brake kit for the hills [Re: maxdustington]
cheesepuffs Offline


Registered: 09/24/13
Posts: 558
Loc: Connecticut
Originally Posted By: maxdustington
Originally Posted By: cheesepuffs
For pads, I am using Akebono ProAct right now, and despite what somebody else said about them being for grandpa Camrys, well I doubt they have ever owned these pads before. They are great pads and also have little to no dusting and zero noise which is nice. Ceramic pad have a slightly different feel at the pedal than semi metallics, but I like the stopping power of these Akebonos better than the semi metallics that I had previously.


I said that they were a premium price brake pad. When you get to that price level, you have other options.

If I want more braking performance because I have to drive down hills all the time, why would I buy a high end OE replacement pad when I could get something more suitable?

Stop gatekeeping.


You offered no alternative, only saying that you donít care about brake dust, but the reality is that most people in 2018 want low dust. Thatís why the aftermarket and OEM applications alike are flooded with ceramic pads. Whatís your pad of choice then, some Hawk HPSís that are going to cost even more money, and make his daily driver look filthy within hours of use? The days of ceramics being a compromise in performance are over.
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#4785324 - 06/12/18 10:07 PM Re: Front brake kit for the hills [Re: schuylkill]
madeej11 Offline


Registered: 06/22/15
Posts: 109
Loc: montreal ,canada
I believe EBC manufactures their rotors in UK.My Power Stops far outlasted my Toyota's originals and the stopping power was much better. Sometimes OEM is not always best. I also don't think say a Lexus rotor's quality is any better than Toyota. But they sure charge you more. Not everything coming from China is junk, can't make that blanket statement anymore.

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