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Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder #4760291
05/17/18 07:46 PM
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I have been trying to figure out an intermittent miss under load in my Mom's car. 3.8 v6 Buick. Today I was checking it out and as I was pressing down the spark plugs on what I would call the
coil, one plug wire was loose. It was the one that goes to the #6 post. It's that junction box looking thing where the spark plugs start their way to the plugs. After I removed
the spark plug cap the metal post was rusted like nobody's business. I took some sandpaper and went to work and reattached the spark plug wire. I didn't get to drive it but was
wondering with this plethora of wisdom here on this forum if you think this rusty connection could cause a slight intermittent miss under load?


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Re: Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder [Re: Gebo] #4760296
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Yes. Especially when it's damp out. Time to replace some parts....did you check the codes and was it misfire on #6?


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Re: Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder [Re: Gebo] #4760309
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Didnt check the codes.


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Re: Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder [Re: Gebo] #4760334
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The part that the non-plug end of the wire connects to is the coil. Pairs of spark wires attach to one of the three coils. The coils generate the high voltage for the sparks. Each coil fires two plugs at the same time. (This is called a waste-fire system because only one of the plugs actually has a fuel charge in its cylinder when it fires.)

If the end of the wire and the coil terminal are corroded or burnt, need to replace both. Definitely put on a wireset (all 6 wires) and replace any coils that are not clean.

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Re: Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder [Re: Gebo] #4760339
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Yes, a new spark plug wire set is relatively inexpensive. Keep a check on the coolant level as these have an issue with the intake manifold failing and ingesting coolant.

Re: Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder [Re: Gebo] #4760340
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I had a 92 lesabre and had a similar problem; if you can find a dark area @ night, run the engine and rev it and check around the coil. I had visible shorting between the plug wires; I had the rectangular shaped coil with 3 plug wires on each side. Just a test b4 you start throwing $$ at it.


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Re: Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder [Re: Gebo] #4760375
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If the connections at the coil and wires are rusty, they need replaced. Do it right, replace the control module, all 3 coils, wires and plugs.


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Re: Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder [Re: Gebo] #4760431
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It was just the #6 coil plug that was rusty. Still replace them all?


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Re: Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder [Re: Gebo] #4760434
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Originally Posted By: Gebo
It was just the #6 coil plug that was rusty. Still replace them all?


If this car is going to be around for a while I would. A lot of times a misfire will take out the control module, that's the part the coils sit on top of.


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Re: Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder [Re: dishdude] #4760467
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^^^^^^^^

What Dishdude stated is the right way to go.


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Re: Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder [Re: Gebo] #4760589
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I think I have an OE module and coils here for that car with about 25K on them. I can look around if you want them just pay the post.


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Re: Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder [Re: Gebo] #4760631
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Trav,
Yes. Please! You still have my address? Just finished changing her oil in the rain. I drained it overnight and didnt anticipate this mornings rain. Gotta take it back to her today.

Ive told you I love you too much. People might get the wrong idea.

Anyways, once again you are there for me smile


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'09 Lex IS350 85K
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Re: Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder [Re: Trav] #4760634
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I found the module and 2 coils, I will look for the third one later today, these are off a 2000 GTP block donor engine (same module and coils as yours).
I may have used the third coil or given it to someone I don't remember. Anyway these will get you started. PM me and I will send them out tomorrow if you want them.


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Re: Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder [Re: Gebo] #4760638
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No problem man, happy to give them a new home with someone who needs them.


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Re: Miss Under Load in '97 Buick 3.8 6 Cylinder [Re: Gebo] #4760639
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PM sent


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