Recent Topics
Sears Files for Bankruptcy
by E365. 10/15/18 12:45 AM
Filing for divorce
by barkingspider. 10/14/18 11:46 PM
10 AC Delco PF48 Oil Filters
by stchman. 10/14/18 10:32 PM
Steering shaft
by buck91. 10/14/18 10:03 PM
Top end teardown 73 Bonneville
by jayg. 10/14/18 08:35 PM
DIY - Time Sert Oil Pan Thread Repair
by JHZR2. 10/14/18 08:12 PM
Suggestions for hardly driven tow vehicle
by Silver. 10/14/18 07:40 PM
When to do winter prep detail?
by mclasser. 10/14/18 07:34 PM
Supertech or Mag1 in 2012 Corolla?
by Corollaman. 10/14/18 06:45 PM
NEW NAPA GOLD 1516 CUT OPEN
by 53' Stude. 10/14/18 05:20 PM
using Star Tron concentratefor E10-yea or nea
by umungus1122. 10/14/18 05:00 PM
BEETS: love them or hate them?
by 53' Stude. 10/14/18 04:29 PM
STP S4967 CUT OPEN
by 53' Stude. 10/14/18 03:48 PM
Medical equipment question
by 53' Stude. 10/14/18 03:36 PM
Cabin air filters
by Donald. 10/14/18 03:16 PM
VIRGIN ST 4386 CUT OPEN
by 53' Stude. 10/14/18 02:58 PM
Its a good time to be alive.
by joegreen. 10/14/18 02:12 PM
Toro mower on CL
by Donald. 10/14/18 02:01 PM
Newest Members
Shreddedd, MrAdamF1, Jcnbs, teddd, Mele4nyc
66212 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
24 registered members (Ifixyawata, emod, hpb, earlyre, Ducked, DoubleWasp, 1 invisible), 789 guests, and 30 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics291,984
Posts4,871,914
Members66,212
Most Online2,430
Oct 14th, 2018
Donate to BITOG
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
SRT brake life and Brembo life in general #4759539
05/17/18 07:59 AM
05/17/18 07:59 AM
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 37,464
Ontario, Canada
OVERKILL Offline OP
OVERKILL  Offline OP
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 37,464
Ontario, Canada
So, as most of you know, I've had reasonably high performance vehicles as my last two summer DD's. Prior to that, it was an H/C/I fox body, which have horrible brakes stock. This time around, the vehicle is used all year, which means for more mileage in the same period of time.

Now, the M5 needed brakes when I got it, and I put on aftermarket ones which were nowhere near the bite of OEM. I only put around 25,000Km on that vehicle when I had it, but those brakes seemed to hold up reasonably well. Of course these were not big multi-piston Brembos.

The Charger, I traded it with 12,000Km on it, so I have no idea how the brakes held up.

The Jeep is heavier than both of them and, since I drive it all year round, I now have just a biscuit over 30,000Km on it. Just had the dealer change out my wheels (they store them for $30.00) for my summers and I was advised that I need front brakes. The rears are still at around 75% pad life, but the inside fronts are down to like 4mm. The outer is a bit better, but not much. I was a bit shocked. The call the Service Manager made into Chrysler Corporate didn't work to ease my concerns, as the rep was surprised there was that much left at that mileage. Apparently, in Toronto stop-and-go, pad life is even lower.

Now, given the variance in wear between inner and outer, my dealer was able to get some goodwill on the brakes from Chrysler. They are covering the rotors, and I'm getting the pads at dealer cost. So I'm about $500 for the set. I have not checked online to see if there are less expensive aftermarket options, as I'm not really inclined to go that route based on my experience with the M5. I love the brakes on the Jeep and wouldn't change anything about them feel-wise.

So my question here is that for anybody else who has a vehicle with Brembo brakes, or ones that are functionally the same, like on a Porsche, what kind of pad life are you seeing and how much does your vehicle weigh? I know the weight of the Jeep is going to have an impact here, but I'm still surprised that I'm going to have to basically do pads and rotors on the front once a year with my driving style.


2018 RAM 1500 Big Horn EcoDiesel
2016 Grand Cherokee SRT
Re: SRT brake life and Brembo life in general [Re: OVERKILL] #4759557
05/17/18 08:15 AM
05/17/18 08:15 AM
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 4,862
North Carolina
rooflessVW Online content
rooflessVW  Online Content
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 4,862
North Carolina
Sounds about right. Front brakes on my Q7 will go about 20k miles and the rears about 50k.

I plan on going to Hawk ceramics and cryo rotors.


"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead."
Re: SRT brake life and Brembo life in general [Re: OVERKILL] #4759570
05/17/18 08:28 AM
05/17/18 08:28 AM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 11,377
PA
d00df00d Offline
d00df00d  Offline
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 11,377
PA
No idea if this helps, and it's certainly not platform-specific, but...

I've done a fair bit of research on brakes recently, and apparently there are at least some high performance compounds that are known to wear faster at low temps. One example is the Porterfield R4-1. That compound bites harder than almost anything at almost any temp. Noise and rotor wear are not super mild, but far below that of a lot of race compounds. Dust is very high, but the dust isn't corrosive.

If that's indicative of the general trend, I can see how such a compound might make its way onto a vehicle like the GC SRT. It needs to work VERY well and feel good at ANY temp; small amounts of noise and increased rotor wear are tolerable, but they can't be too bad; corrosive dust would be a deal-breaker. Something has to give, and about the only thing about a pad that isn't covered by that description is its own wear rate.

There are rotors out there that apparently wear slower than most. Racing Brake is one example. At least with that brand, the tradeoffs are:

1. Very high price (>2x OE in my case)
2. Hideous NVH with some pad compounds (think jackhammer)

Not advising going that route; I tried it, and boy do I regret it. Just trying to illustrate how difficult these problems seem to be.

OE brakes on performance cars are good enough these days that if there's a severe flaw, there's probably a [censored] good reason for it. The fix for that flaw is almost always worse.


2011 Mazda RX-8 R3
Mobil Super 5w-20
Re: SRT brake life and Brembo life in general [Re: OVERKILL] #4759582
05/17/18 08:36 AM
05/17/18 08:36 AM
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 974
PA,US
HemiHawk Offline
HemiHawk  Offline
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 974
PA,US
A Friend of mine had an 06 SRT Jeep. I think the stock brakes lasted somewhere between 10-15k miles. Boy did they haul that monster down though. Those were the 4 piston calipers, where I believe yours are 6? He experimented with various pads but found the stock brembos to have the best feel and overall performance BUT they wore out faster. The HAWK HPS pads held up a little longer but didn't feel as good.

The other issue he ran into was rotors warping. He didn't see this on the OE rotors (I assume brembo rotors?) but on other brands. Something to look out for.


2016 Nissan Frontier Pro4x
2017 VW GTI sport
1995 Mustang GTS
Re: SRT brake life and Brembo life in general [Re: OVERKILL] #4759587
05/17/18 08:44 AM
05/17/18 08:44 AM
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,481
Ontario, Canada
mightymousetech Offline
mightymousetech  Offline
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,481
Ontario, Canada
Pad is down to 4mm, what did they come with new? Sounds like a tech trying to make a quick buck. Multi piston calipers use pads that are typically thinner new than single piston calipers. They may only have come with 6 or 8 mm new, so you may only be half worn.

The 1er (3300 lbs) comes with huge 6 pot calipers up front, have about 65k (5 years) on the car. Computer is showing that front brakes don't even require inspection till 140k km (it has pad wear sensors) and that includes several autox and track days.

Also, the speed you are braking at is much more important to pad wear than weight.

Last edited by mightymousetech; 05/17/18 08:50 AM.

Mighty Mouse Tech
BMW Tech, Former Acura Tech
2010 Civic Si Castrol 0W40, Redline MTL
2013 BMW 135i M Sport Edition Castrol 0W40, Redline MTL
Re: SRT brake life and Brembo life in general [Re: OVERKILL] #4759640
05/17/18 09:23 AM
05/17/18 09:23 AM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 20,077
MA, Mittelfranken.de
Trav Offline
Trav  Offline
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 20,077
MA, Mittelfranken.de
You got good life out of them IMO. I had a 930 with the upgraded OE Brembo system and the rotors and pads were well done at 20K (Km) especially the inner pads on the front, rears were okay.
A friend of mine had a Diablo and only got 6-10 K out of the super expensive (about 5K USD at that time 1995) brake pads and rotors, so I guess we are both fortunate.

I mention this because when he fitted it with larger brakes 405mm 6 pot vs 355mm 4 pot up front (also Brembo) the component life doubled and more and had much improved braking, they even cost less than the parts from the dealer.

The next time they go consider a Brembo big brake kit for the front Brambo, wilwood, AP, etc may make one to direct no mod fit.


ASE L1, Master. Deutsch Meisterbrief.
Re: SRT brake life and Brembo life in general [Re: OVERKILL] #4759645
05/17/18 09:25 AM
05/17/18 09:25 AM
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 3,862
New England
madRiver Offline
madRiver  Offline
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 3,862
New England
I had an 04 STI for a year and they wore quicker then I expected abut felt you pay to play and get performance vehicle. Yours is just heavy too especially the larger wheels and potentially motor. Subaru reluctantly/thankfully covered them off at 24k since bumper to bumper covered them.

Re: SRT brake life and Brembo life in general [Re: OVERKILL] #4759650
05/17/18 09:28 AM
05/17/18 09:28 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 7,754
Toronto, Canada
KrisZ Offline
KrisZ  Offline
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 7,754
Toronto, Canada
I would imagine that this is perfectly normal. This is a high performance vehicle and a very heavy one at that, the brake pad composition reflects the performance aspect at the expense of longevity.

I don't believe this has anything to do with the brakes being Brembo branded. A friend of mine has an Acura TL with the front Brembo brakes and his were in very good shape after about 40k kilometers and since he bought it used he has no idea at what mileage they were changed.

I believe this is an application specific topic. I highly doubt that the brake pad composition is the same or even similar across Brembo applications. This makes it hard to compare things.


2015 Dodge Grand Caravan-27k miles.
2006 Mazda 3-163k miles
Re: SRT brake life and Brembo life in general [Re: OVERKILL] #4759667
05/17/18 09:41 AM
05/17/18 09:41 AM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,926
Illinois
SHOZ Offline
SHOZ  Offline
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,926
Illinois
My Genesis Coupe has Brembos and I use EBC Yellow stuff pads. I am easy on brakes but I have been waiting for the last two years for the EBCs to be worn down enough to change. Maybe this year. I already have some new pads.

Currently have almost 70k miles on them. Still on OE rotors too at 90k miles.


2008 Hyundai Accent 1.6L 5 sp manual hatchback
2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track 2L Turbo 6sp manual
Re: SRT brake life and Brembo life in general [Re: OVERKILL] #4759745
05/17/18 11:04 AM
05/17/18 11:04 AM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,227
Outer Banks, NC
NormanBuntz Offline
NormanBuntz  Offline
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,227
Outer Banks, NC
Brembo USA didn't list any brake pads for the M35 in my sig. But I'm going with Brembo front rotors (regular since slotted or drilled are not available) and Bosch Quiet Cast pads.

But this is a daily driver so I'm not expecting high performance. I just want better service than I got from the WBR brand pads that my Florida indie shop installed. They suck.


2017 Honda Odyssey SE, 16K
2013 Honda Accord LX, 58K
2007 Honda Ridgeline RTS, 88K
2007 Infiniti M35, 107K
Re: SRT brake life and Brembo life in general [Re: OVERKILL] #4759752
05/17/18 11:08 AM
05/17/18 11:08 AM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 8,598
Florida
artificialist Offline
artificialist  Offline
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 8,598
Florida
I once encountered an Acura with multi piston Brembos. Although I don't remember how much life he got out of them, I do remember that the service writer was able to buy Autozone Duralast brake pads for far less money, and Duralast seems to work well wherever they are used.


2010 Lancer Ralliart Sportback
Re: SRT brake life and Brembo life in general [Re: KrisZ] #4759758
05/17/18 11:13 AM
05/17/18 11:13 AM
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 37,464
Ontario, Canada
OVERKILL Offline OP
OVERKILL  Offline OP
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 37,464
Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
I would imagine that this is perfectly normal. This is a high performance vehicle and a very heavy one at that, the brake pad composition reflects the performance aspect at the expense of longevity.

I don't believe this has anything to do with the brakes being Brembo branded. A friend of mine has an Acura TL with the front Brembo brakes and his were in very good shape after about 40k kilometers and since he bought it used he has no idea at what mileage they were changed.

I believe this is an application specific topic. I highly doubt that the brake pad composition is the same or even similar across Brembo applications. This makes it hard to compare things.


Your and Trav's post, as well as a couple above seem to confirm my suspicions that this is simply par for the course. It wasn't the tech who told me about the pad wear level (to answer a question above) it was the Service Manager, who is a buddy of mine. That's why he made the call to Chrysler in hopes he could get them goodwilled, as he thought the wear rate seemed high. Apparently it isn't, and given what I'm reading here, that seems to support it, that paying to play in stopping this behemoth (and yes, I use the brakes as intended, the thing sheds speed incredibly well so you can drive it accordingly) is truly par for the course.

Sort of what I expected, but figured I'd ask you guys just to confirm.

Thanks! thumbsup


2018 RAM 1500 Big Horn EcoDiesel
2016 Grand Cherokee SRT
Re: SRT brake life and Brembo life in general [Re: OVERKILL] #4759782
05/17/18 11:32 AM
05/17/18 11:32 AM
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 3,989
Manchester, England
Olas Offline
Olas  Offline
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 3,989
Manchester, England
Pagid RS (blue) or Carbon Lorraine are the best pads available over the counter.


Cable ties should hold it
Re: SRT brake life and Brembo life in general [Re: OVERKILL] #4759788
05/17/18 11:44 AM
05/17/18 11:44 AM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,926
Illinois
SHOZ Offline
SHOZ  Offline
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,926
Illinois
Hyundai used Brembo rotors and pads OE but they cut down the front pads for some reason. Must have been wary of giving Hyundai owners too good of brakes.



2008 Hyundai Accent 1.6L 5 sp manual hatchback
2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track 2L Turbo 6sp manual
Re: SRT brake life and Brembo life in general [Re: OVERKILL] #4759790
05/17/18 11:45 AM
05/17/18 11:45 AM
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 37,464
Ontario, Canada
OVERKILL Offline OP
OVERKILL  Offline OP
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 37,464
Ontario, Canada
That's funky!


2018 RAM 1500 Big Horn EcoDiesel
2016 Grand Cherokee SRT
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3

BOB IS THE OIL GUY® Powered by UBB.threads™