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trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland #4758270
05/15/18 09:25 PM
05/15/18 09:25 PM
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Posts: 19
NSW, Australia
drew2 Offline OP
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NSW, Australia
Hi all,
The aussie lube guides for my 351 Cleveland engine are confusing me a bit. Just looked on Penrite lube checker and they're recommending 20W-60 and even 25W-70 for this engine! I know that high zinc oils are recommended for these old tappet motors, but gee this heavy weight has me a little concerned, especially when the US sites seem to recommend 10w-30 and 15w-40. From looking on the BITOG forum, I can't see anyone running anything like this Penrite HPR30 20w-60 in their cleveland V8.
Can anyone give me some pointers about oil choice please?
regards,
Andrew

Re: trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland [Re: drew2] #4758274
05/15/18 09:31 PM
05/15/18 09:31 PM
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Canada
addyguy Offline
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Good quality 15W-40 seems about right.


2010 Kia Soul 2U - 2.0L I-4, auto; 133k miles.
M1 EP 10W-30; OEM Kia filter.
Re: trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland [Re: drew2] #4758290
05/15/18 10:02 PM
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Chicago, IL
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has it been rebuilt? does it have stock bearing clearances? if its stock, I'd say 10w-40, 15w40, or 20w-50 would all be fine.
I run 20w-50 in my built 351W, but my bearing clearances were set on the looser side (.035)


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Re: trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland [Re: tomcat27] #4758298
05/15/18 10:13 PM
05/15/18 10:13 PM
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NSW, Australia
drew2 Offline OP
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NSW, Australia
It was rebuilt, but about more than 10 years ago and I don't know anything about the build. The car was sitting in a shed when i got hold of it. I would say it is just stock clearances....the motor is in an old Toyota landcruiser.

Re: trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland [Re: drew2] #4758311
05/15/18 10:46 PM
05/15/18 10:46 PM
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Marshfield , MA
andyd Offline
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Marshfield , MA
Kowabunga a 351 Cleavland. I had one in a '73 Torino. A better than average Ford V8. In a Land Cruiser! How is the rest of it? What did You guys run in them, back in the day? Think I used 10w40. But its cooler than NSW. 20w 50 or thicker? Izzit carbed? Def 20w50 or better.


'16 Camry LE STP synth 0w20 and STP filter. the Fridge

1994 Ranger ,the Rat, 5w30 dino, STP filter

'16 Camry SE, Valvoline HM 0w20 and OEM filter
Thick oil is better grin2
Re: trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland [Re: drew2] #4758315
05/15/18 10:56 PM
05/15/18 10:56 PM
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Los Gatos, CA
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A good 10w30. If she goes through oil, maybe 10w40 or 20w50.
I have used Rotella 15w40 in my BB Chevy and BB Oldsey.
Probably switch back to 10w30. Zinc should be around 1100 PPM; higher if the springs are higher rate.

Re: trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland [Re: drew2] #4758318
05/15/18 10:59 PM
05/15/18 10:59 PM
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'Stralia
Shannow Offline
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'Stralia
20W50 was pretty standard throughout the years that the Clevo was being run.

Don't take the "plus 10 path"...you don't need to.

Caltex recommend 15W-40s for the 351s...that's more than adequate.

Re: trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland [Re: drew2] #4758382
05/16/18 03:47 AM
05/16/18 03:47 AM
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'Stralia
Shannow Offline
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Which bit of NSW ?

Re: trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland [Re: drew2] #4758476
05/16/18 07:21 AM
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Australia
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Australia
I think you'll find most oil marketers except Penrite will recommend 15w-40 and 20w-50.

Re: trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland [Re: drew2] #4758482
05/16/18 07:29 AM
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Down Under
SR5 Offline
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Down Under
I would use Penrite Vantage 15W40 Semi-Synthetic
- Spec API SN/CF, ACEA A3/B4, VW 502 00 / 505 00, RN 0700 / 0710
- KV40 Viscosity = 109 cSt
- KV100 Viscosity = 14.8 cSt
- Cold Cranking at -20C = 4969 cP
- TBN = 10.1
- Zinc = 1090 ppm

It has a solid zinc & TBN package, ample up to date specs, in a Group II / III base oil package. Also as Penrite have said, they promise a minimum of 20% (if not more) Group III in all their semi-synthetics.


Penrite Vantage 10W40 SN & A3/B4 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
Re: trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland [Re: drew2] #4758498
05/16/18 07:40 AM
05/16/18 07:40 AM
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NSW, Australia
drew2 Offline OP
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Thanks very much for the help. Im in the Blue Mountains, but not cold where I am. The engine seems in ok condition, especially considering it sat still for a long while. The rest of the FJ40 cruiser needs a bit of work but Im having fun tinkering with it. Yeah the 20w60 from Penrite seems to get ok reports and has a bit of a following but gee its bloody heavy stuff!

Re: trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland [Re: drew2] #4758501
05/16/18 07:48 AM
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Shannow Offline
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Lithgow here...I've done 25W70 through a winter...it won't hurt anything, but simply don't go there...

SR5's recommendation is very good, and very good value.

Do their 10W40 racing if you have spare coin

Re: trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland [Re: drew2] #4758540
05/16/18 08:46 AM
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NSW, Australia
drew2 Offline OP
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Well we're not too far away, Im in Springwood.
I like the sound of SR5's suggestion of Penrite Vantage 15w40. The zinc package seems reasonably high, although less than the 1600ppm of the hpr30

Re: trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland [Re: drew2] #4758544
05/16/18 08:48 AM
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Hi nearly neighbour.

The vantage has more than enough for your Toy

Re: trying to choose an oil V8 Ford 351 Cleveland [Re: drew2] #4759088
05/16/18 06:42 PM
05/16/18 06:42 PM
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MI
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MI
I just asked my brother last week this question as I purchased my dads 81 ford pickup when he passed which I believe has a rebuilt 351 in it. I thought my dad used a straight 30 weight oil in it. So I should be able to use these suggested above? I am also from MI and only drive in summer.

Last edited by ValkyrieIS21; 05/16/18 06:46 PM.

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