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#4749729 - 05/06/18 09:57 PM Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO?
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More specifically, which readily available, off the shelf oils that you would buy at Walmart or the auto parts stores are actually Group IV PAO Full Synthetics?

I found some older threads that sort of contradict each other, and I've noticed lots of oils have changed packaging, names, and possibly formulations pretty recently.

Regardless, I will likely continue using Pennzoil Platinum or Ultra in my Focus, as they meed the SN, GF-5, Ford, and Honda/Acura Turbo ratings and I can find it easily and inexpensively local to me.

I'm mainly just curious which oils actually are true Group IV currently, with the current names/bottles/formulas as of Spring 2018.
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#4749740 - 05/06/18 10:08 PM Re: Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO? [Re: Jack2468]
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#4749750 - 05/06/18 10:18 PM Re: Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO? [Re: Jack2468]
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You will not find one oil on the market that is 100% group IV simply because some group II+, III or group V oil is needed for additive solubility. Closest you will find to that magic all group IV you seek will be something like Amsoil Signature Series or one of the European/German-manufactured oils that say Vollsyntetisch, and not Technosythese. For cost savings without much performance hit, most majors are using group III majority base oils with whatever additives are needed make the required spec. You would probably find some syn oils sold in Canada with higher percentages of group IV/PAO due to the need for best in class cold cranking ability. I'm guessing, but probably the oils labeled for longer oil change intervals such as M1 EP and M1 1year/20k mile oil probably have higher amounts of PAO than their less expensive blends such as regular M1.

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#4749756 - 05/06/18 10:35 PM Re: Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO? [Re: Jack2468]
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The only one I knew of was the Royal Purple Synerlec oil,which they themselves told me was a pao base with a dash of grp II as a carrier. I liked the fact they didn't give me that "It's proprietary" b.s.,they actually gave me a straight answer. I wonder if the HPS and XPR oils are carrying that same formula?
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#4749768 - 05/06/18 10:59 PM Re: Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO? [Re: Jack2468]
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Smitty's synthetic blend is 10% PAO hide

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#4749825 - 05/07/18 01:25 AM Re: Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO? [Re: Jack2468]
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Any over the counter oil is at least 10% Pao because it has to last at least 5k ocis.
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#4749843 - 05/07/18 03:08 AM Re: Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO? [Re: FermeLaPorte]
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Originally Posted By: FermeLaPorte
Any over the counter oil is at least 10% Pao because it has to last at least 5k ocis.


You failed to mention synthetic. So you're saying conventional has 10% PAO?

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#4749900 - 05/07/18 06:38 AM Re: Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO? [Re: Jack2468]
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I thought Castrol 0w40 a3/b4 has pao?
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#4749922 - 05/07/18 07:15 AM Re: Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO? [Re: Jack2468]
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Mobil 1 Extended 15,000 Mile has a significant amount of Group IV PAO and can be bought from WM .
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#4749933 - 05/07/18 08:00 AM Re: Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO? [Re: aquariuscsm]
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
The only one I knew of was the Royal Purple Synerlec oil,which they themselves told me was a pao base with a dash of grp II as a carrier. I liked the fact they didn't give me that "It's proprietary" b.s.,they actually gave me a straight answer. I wonder if the HPS and XPR oils are carrying that same formula?

When was this? Recently? I had inquired about the composition of their base oils for the HPS and XPR line about 2 years ago and was told it was proprietary information.
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#4749995 - 05/07/18 09:23 AM Re: Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO? [Re: deven]
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Originally Posted By: deven
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
The only one I knew of was the Royal Purple Synerlec oil,which they themselves told me was a pao base with a dash of grp II as a carrier. I liked the fact they didn't give me that "It's proprietary" b.s.,they actually gave me a straight answer. I wonder if the HPS and XPR oils are carrying that same formula?

When was this? Recently? I had inquired about the composition of their base oils for the HPS and XPR line about 2 years ago and was told it was proprietary information.


Gosh it was probably 10 years ago,long before the Calumet buy out.
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#4750026 - 05/07/18 10:19 AM Re: Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO? [Re: FermeLaPorte]
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Originally Posted By: FermeLaPorte
Any over the counter oil is at least 10% Pao because it has to last at least 5k ocis.


Not True. total nonsense
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#4750032 - 05/07/18 10:41 AM Re: Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO? [Re: Jack2468]
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None are.

BMW tech guy nailed it.

The Mobil 1 15K and "annual protection" probably have the highest % of anything you see at walmart.

Amsoil sig series probably a bit more.

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#4750041 - 05/07/18 10:54 AM Re: Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO? [Re: aquariuscsm]
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: deven
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
The only one I knew of was the Royal Purple Synerlec oil,which they themselves told me was a pao base with a dash of grp II as a carrier. I liked the fact they didn't give me that "It's proprietary" b.s.,they actually gave me a straight answer. I wonder if the HPS and XPR oils are carrying that same formula?

When was this? Recently? I had inquired about the composition of their base oils for the HPS and XPR line about 2 years ago and was told it was proprietary information.


Gosh it was probably 10 years ago,long before the Calumet buy out.

Ya, sadly they will not tell you that information anymore. I suspect it has to do with the fact they have started using Group III for their base oils. I still love their oils though!
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#4750057 - 05/07/18 11:15 AM Re: Which "Full Synthetic" oils are Group 4 PAO? [Re: FermeLaPorte]
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: FermeLaPorte
Any over the counter oil is at least 10% Pao because it has to last at least 5k ocis.


I'm not sure where you are getting that "fact" ? TGMO is entirely group III based for example, no PAO. I think you'll find quite a few oils; like the majority, have zero PAO in them.
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