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Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil #4725120
04/12/18 07:29 PM
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CC1981 Offline OP
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First thing, if your Hemi powered car/truck is still under warranty, I recommend taking it to the dealer. Hopefully they will fix it for you but if they don't, at the very least it will be documented. If they essentially blow you off like they did to
me, continue reading.

For a lot if not most people, the 5.7 Hemi is a nice smooth running engine with any oil thats put in it. For others the 5.7 Hemi has a pretty loud tick either on startup or after its completely warmed up. Not to be confused with a broken exhaust manifold bolt(s),
this is a metal on metal tick that comes from the internals of the engine, most likely from the lifters although thats never
been proven 100%.

My 2013 Ram 1500 developed a loud tick at a fully wamrmed up idle around 2500 miles when I drained out the PYB 5w20 that was in
it and put in PP 5w20. The motor sounded absolutely horrible, you literally could hear all the metal componants hitting against
each other. Now I believe PP is a fantastic oil, it just didn't agree with my Hemi. Because it got was such a drastic change
right after an oil change, over the next few years I tried many different oils including PYB 5w20, PUP 5w20, Amsoil OE 5w20,
Amsoil SS 5w20 and 5w30, Redline 5w20/5w30/0w30, Mopar 5w20 from the dealer which is either PYB or PG. The only two oils that
made a difference in how it sounded were PYB 5w20 which minorly quieted it up. For a complete list of the oil changes I did up
until the summer of 2017 check this post out:
Oils used and Mileage

After taking my truck to the dealer 3 times and 3 times being told it was "normal Hemi noise" I had given up. It was
either live with it ticking like it was going to grenade or find my own answers. After spending many hours researching different oils, I
figured I'd give Redline oil a shot because there were claims that it quiets Hemi's as well as many different engines. I figured
there was nothing to lose except some money.

First I tried Redline 5w20. It helped but the tick was still there. Then I tried Redline 0w30 because at the time I was nervous about
running a 30 weight oil in an engine that was spec-ed by the manufacturer for 5w20. It was also winter so I went with a 0w. 5w20 vs 5w30 in a 5.7 Hemi is a whole other discussion, long story short, you can run a Xw30 oil in a 5.7 Hemi with absolutely no MDS problems and no codes thrown. This has been proven many times. Anyways Redline 0w30 made it quieter than Redline 5w20, but the ticking was still there to a point at hot idle.

Then I tried Redline 5w30. On paper it looks fantastic compared to their 0w30, mainly a high HTHS of 3.7 for a 30wt oil. Each time I ran a Redline oil I gave it a good 500+ miles for the high moly in Redline oil to plate to all high contact surfaces in the engine. Here's a
video documenting how quiet my truck is on Redline 5w30. Pay particular attention from 39 seconds to 1:03.

https://youtu.be/89_9ZDBdmss

After confirming an oil alone can quiet my Hemi, I decided to try the new formula Amsoil SS 5w30 since it now has 225+ ppm of
moly. It can be had cheaper than Redline so if it worked like Redline I can save some money. 500 miles into new formula SS 5w30,
it started developing the hot idle tick again shown in this video:

https://youtu.be/CjMDKz1yZLI

This is what it sounded like when I put PP 5w20 in it, except with PP it was easily twice as loud. If I went through a drive
thru I would have to shut the truck off to be able to hear anything. It was that bad. I ended up draining out the SS 5w30 and
put Redline 5w30 back in. I only have about 100 miles on that oil so its still a little loud but not as loud as it was on SS
5w30.

https://youtu.be/L-eiCtFaYLo

Let me reiterate, I believe both PP and SS are great oils. Many people run them in 5.7s with great results. I currently run SS
0w20 in my wifes 2017 Jeep GC 3.6 and it runs very smooth and quiet.

A couple other oils that may quiet a Hemi are Schaefers and Motul. Both have high moly but keep in mind simply having an oil
with high moly such as new formula SS doesn't necessarily mean its going to quiet a Hemi. I believe PAO/Esters and a high HTHS
are also required. Maybe even the higher zinc in Redline has something to do with it.

So if you have a ticking Hemi give Redline 5w30 a shot. If you're worried about running a 5w30 in your 5.7, try Redline 5w20.
Redline 5w20 has worked for some, but didn't quiet mine up as much as Redline 5w30.

When I get 500+ miles on my current Redline 5w30 fill I will take another video.

Hope this helps someone out there quiet their noisy Hemi.


2013 Ram 1500 Crew Cab 5.7 Hemi
Redline 5w30 | Royal Purple 20-820

2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6L
Amsoil SS 0W-20 | Mopar 349
Re: Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil [Re: CC1981] #4725129
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Test out the HTHS and zinc theory with Rotella 5w30? Maybe that'll help narrow the choices down some more?


2002 Jeep WJ 4.0 | Mobil 1 HM 5w30 |
TG8A | 2.5" lift | 148k miles

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Re: Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil [Re: CC1981] #4725130
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Iíve heard people say redline time and time again to quiet the Hemi. My 2014 Ram has been on a steady diet of PUP for the past 20k miles, now at 41k miles. I have no tick at all, at least for now. Iíll keep redline in mind if I get that tick.

Re: Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil [Re: Brett776] #4725135
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Originally Posted By: Brett776
Iíve heard people say redline time and time again to quiet the Hemi. My 2014 Ram has been on a steady diet of PUP for the past 20k miles, now at 41k miles. I have no tick at all, at least for now. Iíll keep redline in mind if I get that tick.


But just think you could have spent almost twice as much for the Redline and still had no Hemi Tick. Then think how lucky you'd be!


2004 Corolla 126232
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74403
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
Re: Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil [Re: CC1981] #4725147
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There was an entire thread on this already, I'll see if I can dig up the link.


2018 RAM 1500 Big Horn EcoDiesel
2016 Grand Cherokee SRT
Re: Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil [Re: CC1981] #4725151
04/12/18 07:58 PM
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Here it is, the thread by burla:

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4499626/1

And you participated in it, LOL


2018 RAM 1500 Big Horn EcoDiesel
2016 Grand Cherokee SRT
Re: Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil [Re: CC1981] #4725160
04/12/18 08:04 PM
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Yep I'm aware of that, I did link to it afterall lol. However since I now have some videos documenting, I figured it was new thread worthy.


2013 Ram 1500 Crew Cab 5.7 Hemi
Redline 5w30 | Royal Purple 20-820

2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6L
Amsoil SS 0W-20 | Mopar 349
Re: Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil [Re: CC1981] #4725166
04/12/18 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: CC1981
Yep I'm aware of that, I did link to it afterall lol. However since I now have some videos documenting, I figured it was new thread worthy.


Ahhh, OK, I didn't click that link because of the name on it, I assumed it wasn't the same thread (title is quite different).

I'd argue that the videos might have been more helpful in the other thread, given its length and depth of delving into this topic, but I do understand why you created this new one.


2018 RAM 1500 Big Horn EcoDiesel
2016 Grand Cherokee SRT
Re: Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil [Re: CC1981] #4725174
04/12/18 08:13 PM
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Thanks, that was well explained and will help a lot. Anyone who has the same problem should follow your instructions and report back. smile


If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil [Re: CC1981] #4725182
04/12/18 08:16 PM
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Interesting.

My father has a 2013 Grand Cherokee with the 5.7L. It just passed 110k miles and is pretty quiet. I run Pennzoil Platinum, but I've been running 5w30 since around 30,000 miles or so.


2000 Jeep Cherokee 4.0L (181k) - Pennzoil 10w30, Napa Gold 1516, Magnefine trans filter
2009 BMW 328i (34k) - Castrol Edge Euro 0w40, MANN HU816X
Re: Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil [Re: CC1981] #4725196
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My 300C has a tick but it doesn't sound like that. Just a tiny tick just a tad louder than the injectors, not like you're hitting the block with a pall peen hammer.

I thought they got all that figure out with the redesign.


2005 BMW 325xi- Delo 400 XSP 5W40, K&N
2008 Mitsubishi Galant- Parts Master 5w30, Wix



Re: Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil [Re: CC1981] #4725200
04/12/18 08:32 PM
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Is it the polyolester, not he moly, that quiets the Hemy tick down?


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Re: Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil [Re: CC1981] #4725208
04/12/18 08:47 PM
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Try adding a can of BG MOA and you'll really quiet the hemi tick. Know so many people who run Royal purple HPS 5w30 and love it because it really quiets the tick down as well..


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2016 Acura RLX Sports Hybrid(Royal Purple HPS 5w30 + M1-110 oil filter)

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Re: Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil [Re: CC1981] #4725285
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My hemi use to tick bad. First few years I used Mobil 1 in both 5w20 and 5w30 but it would tick bad on idle. Current oil I'm running is redline 5w20 and it made a huge difference but it still has a slight tick. I just found a local dealer who got me 5w30 schaeffers for 6 dollars a quart so I'll be trying that here in a few weeks. I figured it's worth a try as I paid around 11 dollars a quart for the redline.


2016 Dodge Dart GT 2.4 Schaeffer's 0w20 (mine)
2015 Chrysler 200 AWD 3.6 Castrol Magnatec 5w20 (wife's)
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Redline 0w30 (mine)
Re: Quieting Hemi Tick with Redline Oil [Re: CC1981] #4725366
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Try oils like Castrol 0W30 ACEA A3/b3 B4, or Castrol 5W30 ACEA A3/B3 B4. Especially 0W30 is known as smooth oil, it is "heavy" W30 oil made for Euro cars with HTHS of 3.5cp.
Considering that you already used Redline with HTHS 3.7, I would also check Castrol 0W40 (same base as 0W30) in Walmart for $27 for 5qt. It has HTHS also 3.7cp.


15' Toyota Sienna AWD (Mobil1 0W20 EP+ 2qt of M1 0W40 + FRAM Ultra).
11' VW Tiguan 2.0T (Castrol 0W40+MANN filter)
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