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PQIA M1-AP results #4718858
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Just saw the results tonight. Thoughts?

http://www.pqiadata.org/Mobil1_Annual_Protection_5W30.html


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Re: PQIA M1-AP results [Re: Matagonka] #4718861
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Where the wind comes sweepin'
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Where the wind comes sweepin'
Pretty unremarkable.

Re: PQIA M1-AP results [Re: Matagonka] #4718865
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I think it looks good. Especially noack

Re: PQIA M1-AP results [Re: Matagonka] #4718866
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There is a lot you cannot see in this type of analysis.


Cannot see signatures any longer so it doesn’t matter.
Re: PQIA M1-AP results [Re: Matagonka] #4718879
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DV-30 = 5,175 cP
NOACK = 8.5%

Pluggging these numbers into the base-oil quality index (BOQI) formula:

BOQI = 45.5

This is a very mediocre BOQI for a synthetic. In comparison Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 has BOQI = 53.9 and Mobil 1 (vanilla) 5W-30 has BOQI = 50.3

List of oils by base-oil-quality index: a ranking

To make things worse, it has by far the worst A_Harman index among all Mobil 1 oils:

Code:
Oil	        Density	KV40	 KV100   KV150	HTHSV	VI	DV150	A_Harman index

M1 0W-20	0.841	44.80	 8.70 	 3.91 	2.70	177	2.91	0.928
M1 5W-20	0.852	49.80	 8.90 	 3.89 	2.75	160	2.93	0.938
M1 5W-30	0.855	61.70	 11.00 	 4.75 	3.10	172	3.59	0.862
M1 EP 0W-20	0.839	44.90	 8.60 	 3.85 	2.70	173	2.86	0.944
M1 EP 5W-20	0.850	49.60	 8.90 	 3.90 	2.75	161	2.93	0.937
M1 EP 5W-30	0.851	59.80	 10.60 	 4.57 	3.00	169	3.44	0.872
M1 HM 5W-20	0.856	50.00	 8.60 	 3.72 	2.70	150	2.82	0.958
M1 HM 5W-30	0.856	72.00	 12.10 	 5.09 	3.10	166	3.86	0.804
M1 AP 0W-20	0.840	45.69	 8.70 	 3.89 	2.60	172	2.89	0.899
M1 AP 5W-20	0.850	48.88	 8.20 	 3.53 	2.60	141	2.66	0.979
M1 AP 5W-30	0.851	63.33	 11.70 	 5.09 	3.00	183	3.83	0.783


M1 A_Harman index

I hate giving bad reviews to oils, but, unless I'm missing something, Mobil 1 Advanced Protection (M1 AP) seems to be a marketing gimmick and a ripoff.

My recommendation: Don't buy unless you want to spend a lot more for a lot less. You're paying for the TV commercials.

It also looks like every time Mobil 1 introduce a new oil, the quality gets less.


1985 Toyota Corolla LE, 4A-LC engine, ~ 273,000 M
Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0W-20 SN PLUS (PAO-based)
Fram Ultra XG3600 filter (full synthetic), 90430-12031 drain gasket (rubber on aluminum)
Re: PQIA M1-AP results [Re: PimTac] #4718881
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Seems to have the add pack for a long run … but 20k ain’t in my future …

Re: PQIA M1-AP results [Re: Gokhan] #4718882
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Oh my … We should also run the Rat test too …

Re: PQIA M1-AP results [Re: parshisa] #4718885
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Originally Posted By: parshisa
I think it looks good. Especially noack
Only one oil I know of beats it on NOACK.
http://www.ravenol.de/uploads/tx_ravenol/pdf-print/RAVENOL_DXG_SAE_5W30_1.pdf
And M1 AP loses on pour point and flash point too.

Re: PQIA M1-AP results [Re: 4WD] #4718890
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
Seems to have the add pack for a long run … but 20k ain’t in my future …

No, not really. The add pack is identical to that of M1 vanilla 5W-30:

Mobil 1 (M1) 5W-30 PQIA

M1 AP seems to have a thicker base oil though, hence the higher CCS and lower NOACK.

So, my guess is that it has less PAO and more Group III than Mobil 1 and the base oil is a little thicker. Which one is more suitable for longer runs? Mobil 1 (vanilla) of course, as it has a better base oil. Hence, this is why Mobil 1 Advanced Protection seems to be a marketing gimmick.


1985 Toyota Corolla LE, 4A-LC engine, ~ 273,000 M
Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0W-20 SN PLUS (PAO-based)
Fram Ultra XG3600 filter (full synthetic), 90430-12031 drain gasket (rubber on aluminum)
Re: PQIA M1-AP results [Re: Matagonka] #4718892
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Way more viscosity Index (183) than the other M1 5w30. So, goes more mPAO on it, IMO.


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Re: PQIA M1-AP results [Re: Gokhan] #4718893
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Originally Posted By: Gokhan
I hate giving bad reviews to oils, but, unless I'm missing something, Mobil 1 Advanced Protection (M1 AP) seems to be a marketing gimmick and a ripoff.
I'd buy M1 AP if I could believe Mobil's claims of better anti-oxidant performance. They say they can delay the onset of viscosity increase as oil ages, without incurring a lot of decomposition over time of all the key components in their oil. .... Maybe all their patents and employed PhD's are producing better chemicals to do this. As of now, if I wanted to pull out all the stops, I'd get the dexos1 Ravenol.

Re: PQIA M1-AP results [Re: Hammehead] #4718895
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Originally Posted By: Hammehead
Way more viscosity Index (183) than the other M1 5w30. So, goes more mPAO on it, IMO.

I doubt any use any mPAO.

M1 5W-30 VI = 170
M1 AP 5W-30 VI = 160


1985 Toyota Corolla LE, 4A-LC engine, ~ 273,000 M
Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0W-20 SN PLUS (PAO-based)
Fram Ultra XG3600 filter (full synthetic), 90430-12031 drain gasket (rubber on aluminum)
Re: PQIA M1-AP results [Re: Gokhan] #4718896
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So what … do you claim they faked all the engine testing ?

Re: PQIA M1-AP results [Re: 4WD] #4718898
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
So what … do you claim they faked all the engine testing ?

No, all M1 varieties go through the exact same engine testing.


1985 Toyota Corolla LE, 4A-LC engine, ~ 273,000 M
Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0W-20 SN PLUS (PAO-based)
Fram Ultra XG3600 filter (full synthetic), 90430-12031 drain gasket (rubber on aluminum)
Re: PQIA M1-AP results [Re: Gokhan] #4718901
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Really ? Where do you gets this stuff ?

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