Recent Topics
When renting a vehicle...
by Vern_in_IL. 10/22/18 07:18 PM
Valvoline zddp content 10w-30
by dogememe. 10/22/18 07:14 PM
2013 Toyota Highlander
by millerbl00. 10/22/18 06:55 PM
PVC water supply line vs copper
by PandaBear. 10/22/18 06:30 PM
3/8 torque wrench
by rtrdad. 10/22/18 05:20 PM
Lucas 85w-140 Rear Diff Whirling
by Rocketman777. 10/22/18 05:18 PM
2 cycle Toro giving me trouble
by HawkeyeScott. 10/22/18 04:45 PM
PREMIUM GUARD UPG64R CUT OPEN
by 53' Stude. 10/22/18 04:36 PM
Light scratches/Water Spots
by Nick1994. 10/22/18 04:06 PM
Meijer Castrol Clearance $5.34 jug
by Spartanfool. 10/22/18 03:42 PM
when/if to change trans fluid? miles or years?
by columnshift. 10/22/18 03:34 PM
How long to run M1 EP 5w30 in Fuel Diluter
by Speak2Mountain. 10/22/18 03:08 PM
What Car is more comfortable?
by starboy123. 10/22/18 02:24 PM
Mazda SkyActiv FZ 71,210mi
by yugrus. 10/22/18 01:24 PM
To Storage Clean or Dirty?
by lzhome. 10/22/18 01:09 PM
Auto or stick in a pick up
by ram_man. 10/22/18 01:06 PM
Newest Members
Rocketman777, BillPf, matt2636, zaRin, Maciejew
66265 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
109 registered members (Al, 2004tdigls, 53' Stude, AdditiveOCD, Ag76, 6 invisible), 1,904 guests, and 34 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics292,378
Posts4,878,537
Members66,265
Most Online2,494
Oct 17th, 2018
Donate to BITOG
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application #4709603
03/28/18 01:04 PM
03/28/18 01:04 PM
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,565
Oregon
1JZ_E46 Offline OP
1JZ_E46  Offline OP
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,565
Oregon
Been looking for a "high mileage" oil that still meets LL-01's 3.5 HTHS minimum, and I think I've found it. Has anyone used Mobil 1 high mileage 10W-30 in their euro gasser? Effect on consumption? I was able to find a recent UOA of it here. Additives look like any LL-01 oil and it has a 3.5 HTHS and a pour point of -39C (consistent with other syn 5W-30s). Full specs:

KV40: 78 (consistent with euro 0W-40s)
KV100: 12.1 (very thick 30! same as EDGE 0W-30)
VI: 149 (little VII)
HTHS: 3.5
PP: -39C (consistent with most A3/B4 5W-30s)
Flash Point: 232C (very high... probably due to little VII)

I'm going to try it this summer unless I hear a horror story.

Last edited by 1JZ_E46; 03/28/18 01:07 PM.

2007 X5 4.8i: M1 HM 10W-30
2016 Countryman S: EDGE 0W-30
Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46] #4709646
03/28/18 01:41 PM
03/28/18 01:41 PM
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 10,537
Indiana
dlundblad Offline
dlundblad  Offline
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 10,537
Indiana
There also Castrol Edge HM 10w40 which is an A3/B4.

Maxlife 20w50 is an A3 too.


03 Jeep WJ 4.0 200k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 177k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 149k Rotella T5 10w30 Supertech ST3980

Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46] #4709687
03/28/18 02:22 PM
03/28/18 02:22 PM
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 4,906
North Carolina
rooflessVW Offline
rooflessVW  Offline
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 4,906
North Carolina
Edge 10W-40 is what I'd be after too.


"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead."
Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46] #4709727
03/28/18 02:58 PM
03/28/18 02:58 PM
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,565
Oregon
1JZ_E46 Offline OP
1JZ_E46  Offline OP
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,565
Oregon
No way Im spending $10 a quart for EDGE HM 10W-40. Thats $90 in oil plus a $15 filter. Plus its a little thick for my taste.


2007 X5 4.8i: M1 HM 10W-30
2016 Countryman S: EDGE 0W-30
Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46] #4709734
03/28/18 03:10 PM
03/28/18 03:10 PM
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 10,041
Upper Midwest
kschachn Offline
kschachn  Offline
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 10,041
Upper Midwest
Of course there is Castrol 0W-40, available at Walmart for about $5 a quart and actually does carry Longlife-01 certification smile

What do you get from an HM oil that you're specifically looking for?


1994 BMW 530i, 231K
1996 Honda Accord, 263K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 402K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 272K
Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46] #4709736
03/28/18 03:14 PM
03/28/18 03:14 PM
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 10,537
Indiana
dlundblad Offline
dlundblad  Offline
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 10,537
Indiana
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
No way Im spending $10 a quart for EDGE HM 10W-40. Thats $90 in oil plus a $15 filter. Plus its a little thick for my taste.


Buy it when its on sale.


03 Jeep WJ 4.0 200k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 177k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 149k Rotella T5 10w30 Supertech ST3980

Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: kschachn] #4709741
03/28/18 03:22 PM
03/28/18 03:22 PM
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,565
Oregon
1JZ_E46 Offline OP
1JZ_E46  Offline OP
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,565
Oregon
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Of course there is Castrol 0W-40, available at Walmart for about $5 a quart and actually does carry Longlife-01 certification smile

What do you get from an HM oil that you're specifically looking for?


That's what I'm currently using. It's fantastic oil, but my N62 drinks about a quart of it every 2,500 miles.

Trying to limit consumption through the valve stem seals before I do the job later this year. In other words, trying to save the cats. It smokes pretty bad after 3-4 minutes of idling when hot.

Last edited by 1JZ_E46; 03/28/18 03:27 PM.

2007 X5 4.8i: M1 HM 10W-30
2016 Countryman S: EDGE 0W-30
Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: dlundblad] #4709744
03/28/18 03:24 PM
03/28/18 03:24 PM
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,565
Oregon
1JZ_E46 Offline OP
1JZ_E46  Offline OP
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,565
Oregon
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Buy it when its on sale.


Where at? As a euro-car family, I am rarely, if ever, in an auto parts store to see if sales are going on. I buy all my parts from online stores like FCP Euro, AutohasAZ, and RM European.


2007 X5 4.8i: M1 HM 10W-30
2016 Countryman S: EDGE 0W-30
Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46] #4709747
03/28/18 03:32 PM
03/28/18 03:32 PM
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 10,041
Upper Midwest
kschachn Offline
kschachn  Offline
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 10,041
Upper Midwest
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
That's what I'm currently using. It's fantastic oil, but my N62 drinks about a quart of it every 2,500 miles.

Trying to limit consumption through the valve stem seals before I do the job later this year. In other words, trying to save the cats.

That's a lot of oil. My old M60 leaks some, I tried the 10W-40 HM for a while but it didn't seem to do much TBH. What about trying that one and seeing if it does anything for you?

How are the coolant leaks on that engine? Have you had it leaking from inside the bell housing yet?


1994 BMW 530i, 231K
1996 Honda Accord, 263K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 402K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 272K
Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: kschachn] #4709758
03/28/18 03:43 PM
03/28/18 03:43 PM
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,565
Oregon
1JZ_E46 Offline OP
1JZ_E46  Offline OP
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,565
Oregon
Originally Posted By: kschachn
That's a lot of oil. My old M60 leaks some, I tried the 10W-40 HM for a while but it didn't seem to do much TBH. What about trying that one and seeing if it does anything for you?

How are the coolant leaks on that engine? Have you had it leaking from inside the bell housing yet?


Yeah. I've seen worse consumption (quart every 1,000) on the X5 forums, but still not ideal.

When I bought the car (80k miles) I did the Bimmerfix coolant pipe stent kit install. It essentially prevents the front coolant pipe seal (behind the water pump in the valley) from leaking by installing a hollow stent with RTV that bridges the interface between the block and coolant pipe. No issues yet to speak of after about 30k miles on it.

I will probably give the 10W-30 a try to see if it helps (will also get UOA to verify wear metals). I'd be happy with 1 quart every 3,500 miles. That's not unheard of for some newer cars. I have an email out to Mobil asking what the NOACK is. I asked a few months ago for the NOACK of their 10W-40 HM, and it was a respectable 7.6%.

Last edited by 1JZ_E46; 03/28/18 03:45 PM.

2007 X5 4.8i: M1 HM 10W-30
2016 Countryman S: EDGE 0W-30
Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46] #4709795
03/28/18 04:36 PM
03/28/18 04:36 PM
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 10,537
Indiana
dlundblad Offline
dlundblad  Offline
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 10,537
Indiana
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Buy it when its on sale.


Where at? As a euro-car family, I am rarely, if ever, in an auto parts store to see if sales are going on. I buy all my parts from online stores like FCP Euro, AutohasAZ, and RM European.


Just check the AZ and AAPs ads monthly. AAP carries Mann filters and is typically good about letting one upgrade. Some of the Puro boss filters are also rebadged German Mann filters too btw. If its too much effort for you, just use M1. I was just trying to find a solution to your problem.

Oh and theres Maxlife 15w40 too.


03 Jeep WJ 4.0 200k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 177k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 149k Rotella T5 10w30 Supertech ST3980

Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46] #4709808
03/28/18 04:53 PM
03/28/18 04:53 PM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 25,634
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Garak Online content
Garak  Online Content
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 25,634
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
Where at? As a euro-car family, I am rarely, if ever, in an auto parts store to see if sales are going on. I buy all my parts from online stores like FCP Euro, AutohasAZ, and RM European.

Generally speaking, if you can find a local supplier that gets Euro items through WorldPac rather than Alltrom, you should see similar prices to what you'd get from AutohausAZ. I've bought from AutohausAZ, too, particularly when something wass out of stock on the Canadian side of the WorldPac network.


Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, NAPA Gold 7356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: dlundblad] #4709812
03/28/18 04:54 PM
03/28/18 04:54 PM
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,565
Oregon
1JZ_E46 Offline OP
1JZ_E46  Offline OP
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,565
Oregon
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Just check the AZ and AAPs ads monthly. AAP carries Mann filters and is typically good about letting one upgrade. Some of the Puro boss filters are also rebadged German Mann filters too btw. If its too much effort for you, just use M1. I was just trying to find a solution to your problem.

Oh and theres Maxlife 15w40 too.


I was able to find their monthly ads online. Looks like EDGE High Mileage is on sale right now. Thank you.


2007 X5 4.8i: M1 HM 10W-30
2016 Countryman S: EDGE 0W-30
Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: kschachn] #4709894
03/28/18 06:05 PM
03/28/18 06:05 PM
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 36,420
Great Lakes
Quattro Pete Offline
Quattro Pete  Offline
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 36,420
Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: kschachn
What do you get from an HM oil that you're specifically looking for?

Nothing, in my experience.

I went to Edge HM 10w-40 some time back, hoping to reduce oil seeping through gaskets and reduce consumption. None of that materialized. You might as well stick with Edge 0w-40.


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (FF)
Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46] #4709896
03/28/18 06:07 PM
03/28/18 06:07 PM
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 36,420
Great Lakes
Quattro Pete Offline
Quattro Pete  Offline
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 36,420
Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
Looks like EDGE High Mileage is on sale right now. Thank you.
Who has it on sale? How much?


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (FF)
Page 1 of 2 1 2

BOB IS THE OIL GUY® Powered by UBB.threads™