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#4709603 - 03/28/18 01:04 PM M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application
1JZ_E46 Offline


Registered: 04/04/16
Posts: 921
Loc: Oregon
Been looking for a "high mileage" oil that still meets LL-01's 3.5 HTHS minimum, and I think I've found it. Has anyone used Mobil 1 high mileage 10W-30 in their euro gasser? Effect on consumption? I was able to find a recent UOA of it here. Additives look like any LL-01 oil and it has a 3.5 HTHS and a pour point of -39C (consistent with other syn 5W-30s). Full specs:

KV40: 78 (consistent with euro 0W-40s)
KV100: 12.1 (very thick 30! same as EDGE 0W-30)
VI: 149 (little VII)
HTHS: 3.5
PP: -39C (consistent with most A3/B4 5W-30s)
Flash Point: 232C (very high... probably due to little VII)

I'm going to try it this summer unless I hear a horror story.


Edited by 1JZ_E46 (03/28/18 01:07 PM)
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2007 BMW X5 4.8i, 105K: Castrol EDGE 0W-40, Mann
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#4709646 - 03/28/18 01:41 PM Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 9662
Loc: Indiana
There also Castrol Edge HM 10w40 which is an A3/B4.

Maxlife 20w50 is an A3 too.
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03 Jeep WJ 4.0 197k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 170k M1 0w40 Mann HU819X
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 142k Rotella T5 10w30 Fram TG3980


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#4709687 - 03/28/18 02:22 PM Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46]
rooflessVW Offline


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Edge 10W-40 is what I'd be after too.
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#4709727 - 03/28/18 02:58 PM Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46]
1JZ_E46 Offline


Registered: 04/04/16
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No way Iím spending $10 a quart for EDGE HM 10W-40. Thatís $90 in oil plus a $15 filter. Plus itís a little thick for my taste.
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#4709734 - 03/28/18 03:10 PM Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46]
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Registered: 12/26/05
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Loc: Upper Midwest
Of course there is Castrol 0W-40, available at Walmart for about $5 a quart and actually does carry Longlife-01 certification smile

What do you get from an HM oil that you're specifically looking for?
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#4709736 - 03/28/18 03:14 PM Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 9662
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
No way Iím spending $10 a quart for EDGE HM 10W-40. Thatís $90 in oil plus a $15 filter. Plus itís a little thick for my taste.


Buy it when itís on sale.
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02 Volvo S60 2.4T 170k M1 0w40 Mann HU819X
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 142k Rotella T5 10w30 Fram TG3980


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#4709741 - 03/28/18 03:22 PM Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: kschachn]
1JZ_E46 Offline


Registered: 04/04/16
Posts: 921
Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Of course there is Castrol 0W-40, available at Walmart for about $5 a quart and actually does carry Longlife-01 certification smile

What do you get from an HM oil that you're specifically looking for?


That's what I'm currently using. It's fantastic oil, but my N62 drinks about a quart of it every 2,500 miles.

Trying to limit consumption through the valve stem seals before I do the job later this year. In other words, trying to save the cats. It smokes pretty bad after 3-4 minutes of idling when hot.


Edited by 1JZ_E46 (03/28/18 03:27 PM)
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#4709744 - 03/28/18 03:24 PM Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: dlundblad]
1JZ_E46 Offline


Registered: 04/04/16
Posts: 921
Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Buy it when itís on sale.


Where at? As a euro-car family, I am rarely, if ever, in an auto parts store to see if sales are going on. I buy all my parts from online stores like FCP Euro, AutohasAZ, and RM European.
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#4709747 - 03/28/18 03:32 PM Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 9113
Loc: Upper Midwest
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
That's what I'm currently using. It's fantastic oil, but my N62 drinks about a quart of it every 2,500 miles.

Trying to limit consumption through the valve stem seals before I do the job later this year. In other words, trying to save the cats.

That's a lot of oil. My old M60 leaks some, I tried the 10W-40 HM for a while but it didn't seem to do much TBH. What about trying that one and seeing if it does anything for you?

How are the coolant leaks on that engine? Have you had it leaking from inside the bell housing yet?
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#4709758 - 03/28/18 03:43 PM Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: kschachn]
1JZ_E46 Offline


Registered: 04/04/16
Posts: 921
Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: kschachn
That's a lot of oil. My old M60 leaks some, I tried the 10W-40 HM for a while but it didn't seem to do much TBH. What about trying that one and seeing if it does anything for you?

How are the coolant leaks on that engine? Have you had it leaking from inside the bell housing yet?


Yeah. I've seen worse consumption (quart every 1,000) on the X5 forums, but still not ideal.

When I bought the car (80k miles) I did the Bimmerfix coolant pipe stent kit install. It essentially prevents the front coolant pipe seal (behind the water pump in the valley) from leaking by installing a hollow stent with RTV that bridges the interface between the block and coolant pipe. No issues yet to speak of after about 30k miles on it.

I will probably give the 10W-30 a try to see if it helps (will also get UOA to verify wear metals). I'd be happy with 1 quart every 3,500 miles. That's not unheard of for some newer cars. I have an email out to Mobil asking what the NOACK is. I asked a few months ago for the NOACK of their 10W-40 HM, and it was a respectable 7.6%.


Edited by 1JZ_E46 (03/28/18 03:45 PM)
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#4709795 - 03/28/18 04:36 PM Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 9662
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Buy it when itís on sale.


Where at? As a euro-car family, I am rarely, if ever, in an auto parts store to see if sales are going on. I buy all my parts from online stores like FCP Euro, AutohasAZ, and RM European.


Just check the AZ and AAPís ads monthly. AAP carries Mann filters and is typically good about letting one upgrade. Some of the Puro boss filters are also rebadged German Mann filters too btw. If itís too much effort for you, just use M1. I was just trying to find a solution to your problem.

Oh and thereís Maxlife 15w40 too.
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03 Jeep WJ 4.0 197k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 170k M1 0w40 Mann HU819X
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 142k Rotella T5 10w30 Fram TG3980


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#4709808 - 03/28/18 04:53 PM Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 24051
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
Where at? As a euro-car family, I am rarely, if ever, in an auto parts store to see if sales are going on. I buy all my parts from online stores like FCP Euro, AutohasAZ, and RM European.

Generally speaking, if you can find a local supplier that gets Euro items through WorldPac rather than Alltrom, you should see similar prices to what you'd get from AutohausAZ. I've bought from AutohausAZ, too, particularly when something wass out of stock on the Canadian side of the WorldPac network.
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#4709812 - 03/28/18 04:54 PM Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: dlundblad]
1JZ_E46 Offline


Registered: 04/04/16
Posts: 921
Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Just check the AZ and AAPís ads monthly. AAP carries Mann filters and is typically good about letting one upgrade. Some of the Puro boss filters are also rebadged German Mann filters too btw. If itís too much effort for you, just use M1. I was just trying to find a solution to your problem.

Oh and thereís Maxlife 15w40 too.


I was able to find their monthly ads online. Looks like EDGE High Mileage is on sale right now. Thank you.
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2007 BMW X5 4.8i, 105K: Castrol EDGE 0W-40, Mann
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#4709894 - 03/28/18 06:05 PM Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: kschachn]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 35565
Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: kschachn
What do you get from an HM oil that you're specifically looking for?

Nothing, in my experience.

I went to Edge HM 10w-40 some time back, hoping to reduce oil seeping through gaskets and reduce consumption. None of that materialized. You might as well stick with Edge 0w-40.
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#4709896 - 03/28/18 06:07 PM Re: M1 High Mileage 10W-30 in LL-01 application [Re: 1JZ_E46]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
Looks like EDGE High Mileage is on sale right now. Thank you.
Who has it on sale? How much?
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