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What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic #4693174
03/13/18 07:07 AM
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Patman Offline OP
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When this site first started it seemed most members would try to push their intervals as long as possible on synthetic, but I feel like that has changed in recent years and even my own way of thinking has changed as well, for various reasons. So I decided to start this topic to see what people on here now feel is a reasonable OCI using an OTC synthetic (not one of the extended performance ones either but something like regular M1, Castrol Edge or Pennzoil Platinum) When I say reasonable, I mean what OCI do you feel gives you good value for your money but also doesn't push the limits too far? For me I used to try and go a lot longer (10-15k in some cases) but I've now scaled that back a bit and feel a bit more comfortable keeping the OCI closer to 6k (which is a nice even 10,000 km for me) Is there anyone on here that still feels like they need to do 3000 mile intervals even with synthetic?


2018 Corvette, 9k, M1 ESP Formula 5w30 & NAPA Gold
2006 Civic EX Coupe, 148k, PUP 5w20 & Fram Ultra
2010 BMW 328i X-Drive,110k, GC 0w40 & Fram Ultra

Re: What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic [Re: Patman] #4693177
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Both my BMW and Honda I change at 6000 km. Its about $40 to do an oil change ($29 on Honda, $50 on BMW) practically free.

I should also add, my cars get driven, hard, and get a LOT of short trips. I work only 5 km from home. Civic is a winter car that gets used on track in the summer, BMW is summer only but sees some track use and is significantly more HP than stock, currently 400 hp/420 lb.ft.

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Re: What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic [Re: Patman] #4693183
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Only the highest performance engines need synthetic changed every 3K. Outside of that, it really depends - my Cruze with the 1.4 gas turbo (port injected) gained a bad reputation in its first few years partly because the 10K OLM calibration was too much, especially for syn blend Dexos1 oil. They scaled it back to 7,500 before my car was made, but I've run 5K intervals because the car always sees some amount of mixed driving and I can waste 2,500 mi. worth of OCI for a long time before it outweighs the cost of a turbo. I run Schaeffer's syn blend @ 4-5K in my '85 GMC and Schaeffer's full syn @ 5K in my diesel Mercedes. If I had a newer, run-of-the-mill NA engine that saw a lot of highway miles I'd run 6-8K, maybe 10K depending on what it is, but there's a difference between what OCI will keep an engine in one piece for 200K and what will keep it spotless inside for at least that long. It depends.


To quote a friend, "Synthetics, man."

'85 GMC C3500, 454, 132K
'82 Mercedes 300CD, OM617 turbo, 173K (totaled 2018, in rehab)
'85 Mercedes 300TD, OM617 turbo, 217K (wife's)
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Re: What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic [Re: Patman] #4693184
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Depends on driving conditions.

For a short tripper vehicle, then 5000 miles is still my max.

For a regularly driven vehicle with a mix of short and long trips, 7500-10,000 miles.

If only highway miles, up to 15,000 miles.

These numbers are for engines that do not have direct injection or boosted.

If I had a DI turbo engine, I would cut the mileage almost in half (so yes, 3,000 mile interval with synthetic on a short tripper vehicle).


2012 xB: QSUD 0w-20/CQ Blue/5k
2010 Santa Fe: PP 0w-20/P1/8k
2007 Vue: VSP 5w-30/EcoGard/OLM
2004 F150: GTX HM 5w-20/TG2/4k
2002 F150: GTX HM 5w-20/EcoGard/1yr
1994 VT1100c: Peak 15w-40/PSL/5k



Re: What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic [Re: Alex_V] #4693185
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Originally Posted By: Alex_V
but there's a difference between what OCI will keep an engine in one piece for 200K and what will keep it spotless inside for at least that long.


I think that's why my thoughts have changed recently, as I do feel that even if the oil can still do a decent job beyond 6k, I also feel that if I want to keep things spotless inside then I need to keep the intervals lower than I previously did. I do believe in getting more value for my oil filter dollar though and am going to be leaving my filters on for two intervals (except on the Corvette because of the powertrain warranty)

Re: What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic [Re: Patman] #4693186
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I use the GM OLM for my 2008 Chev 6.0, but thatís usually 6000 to 6500 miles. For me it works out to 2 changes per year: one after the winter and one after the summer. I buy SN Dexos approved synthetic oils on sale and donít worry about the latest and greatest feature. 150,000 miles on my engine and runs great with no oil consumption. Knock wood.


If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic [Re: Patman] #4693187
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I typically go for 5k miles or 1 year. Oil is so cheap.


2016 Nissan Frontier Pro4x
2017 VW GTI sport
1995 Mustang GTS
Re: What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic [Re: Patman] #4693191
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@around 15.000kms...


2008 Toyota Yaris 1ND-TV 1.4 D4-D Elf FullTech FE 5w30
1997 Toyota Landcruiser KZJ95 3.0 TD Shell Rimula R6M 10w40
Re: What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic [Re: Patman] #4693192
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8,000 KM and I know it is hardly scientific. I ran a UOA by Blackstone and they are fine with that as well.


2003 E46 M3 Convertible
2004 Odyssey EX-L
2004 Impreza TS Wagon
Re: What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic [Re: blupupher] #4693194
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Patman Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: blupupher
If only highway miles, up to 15,000 miles.

These numbers are for engines that do not have direct injection or boosted.

Because of the DI on my Corvette (and the 2% fuel I saw in my first UOA) I'm still not sure where my comfort zone lies just yet there. I don't plan on following the OLM just yet, my next oil change will be with only 3000 miles or so on the current oil.

For highway trips, I do feel confident that they put very little stress on the oil. So for example if we did a 3k trip on the BMW, I'd have no problem extending that particular OCI from 6k to 9k.

Re: What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic [Re: Patman] #4693201
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Completely depends on:

- Vehicle
- Usage
- Driving conditions
- Condition of engine
- Type of oil

Tons of cold starts and short trips in the dead of winter, engine prone to fuel dilution, tiny sump, low-SAPS oil: 3k seems reasonable

All gentle highway driving, moderate temps, low humidity, tight clean-running engine, huge sump, oil designed for long OCIs: 15k+

Track use: 1 session


2008 BMW M3
Re: What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic [Re: Patman] #4693206
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I dont think I feel its necessary to do 3k intervals but I usually change my oil between 5000-9000kms. (3-6k miles) For me it depends on timing, I like to change oil in Spring once the temps are regularly over 7 or 8 degrees celsius so it depends how much Ive driven since last OC in November. So far Im only at 3300km, just over 2k miles, so I believe it is likely that I will change it in about a month at Im guessing 3k miles. Also, I bring my kid to daycare and get him twice daily 4 days a week and all are short trips about 2 miles return. I do get the oil hot at least once a week but figure I am severe service. Im not concerned about getting the most out of syn oil. Syn oil isnt that expensive once you consider 2$ specials or mail in rebates. Im quite content doing 3k changes but its not to say its necessary, pretty confident that 10-12k kms in a well maintained engine is a safe bet. Follow mfr recommended interval seems good to me.


2007 Corolla Red Pearl 155k miles
PP 0w20 & ST 4967

Re: What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic [Re: Patman] #4693208
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Since the start of this website, OLMs have gotten better, manufacturers have generally extended OCIs a bit, and engine power densities have changed substantially...

I found long ago, with old engines and past-tech synthetic oils, that the non-severe duty OCI could be used in severe service when a good syn is employed.

That has not changed, IMO. The thing that has changed is more and better OLM algorithms have directly informed if severe service is incurred. I think that generally their findings reflect the finding I had years ago.

So following an OLM is an appropriate approach, with the correct spec oil.

Following the non-severe service interval with employment of a quality syn oil works.

If one is truly running a severe service, UOA is prudent to determine if it is affecting modern formulated oils.

Re: What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic [Re: Patman] #4693210
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Way too many variables involved to make a blanket statement. I believe this is why more and more manufacturers are transitioning to OLM systems. That being said, they're not all as accurate as GM's and doing a few UOAs to gauge their accuracy is important. Using my Mazda as an example, it doesn't seem to factor in cold weather/idle nearly as much as it should which is why I see fuel dilution during winter OCIs.


18 Giulia Ti Sport Q4
+2.0l turbo - 4k - PP Euro LX 0w30 - Mopar - 10k/1yr
16.5 CX-5 Touring AWD
+2.5l - 50k - SynPower w/ Maxlife 0w20 - PureOne - 8k/1yr
Re: What do you feel is a reasonable OCI for synthetic [Re: Patman] #4693212
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It' impossible to say X amount of miles is when you should change synthetic motor oil.
The amount of variables that come into play are just too much.


1975 Ford Capri II Ghia 3000 V6, - Shell Helix HX3 20W-50 w/ 20% Rimula R4X 15W-40 HDEO.

1988 Ford Escort Mk4 Xr3i Cabrio, - Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40, w/ 30% Helix 3 20W-50.

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