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Toyota Red vs Pink #4686033
03/06/18 08:58 AM
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Ok, I know you can top off pink with red but you can't top off red with pink. Red is concentrated and pink is 50:50. Pink is not just red diluted with distilled water. I think Toyota switched over to the pink around 2002.

My feeling is that the red is better than the pink and that the pink was formulated to satisfy some kind of EPA requirement or for Toyota to make more money. Note, I said "my feeling." I have read on Toyota forums where some are switching from the pink to the red in their newer models. 2 Toyota mechanics said that's what they do. They say the red is the bomb.

Does anyone know if I could be prolonging the life of my car's coolant system by switching from pink to red? Does anyone know the chemical makeup difference between the Toyota Red and Toyota Pink other than one is concentrated and one is diluted?


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Re: Toyota Red vs Pink [Re: Gebo] #4686085
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Pink is only sold as ready to use right? (50:50 mix)

Re: Toyota Red vs Pink [Re: Gebo] #4686087
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If you dilute red it turns pink. If it calls for red use red or vise versa.


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Re: Toyota Red vs Pink [Re: Gebo] #4686111
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Pink lasts longer before needing to be replaced, according to Toyota.


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Re: Toyota Red vs Pink [Re: Reddy45] #4686123
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Originally Posted By: Reddy45
Pink is only sold as ready to use right? (50:50 mix)
Correct. Same as the other majority OEM Asian PHOATS, eg. Honda Type2, Nissan Long Life blue and others. One aftermarket exception is Pep Boys OEM Brand Concentrate available in four tints.

Unlike the Toyota Red which is only recommended for 2years/~30k miles, the SLL pink is ~5 years/50k miles interval on subsequent to factory service. That's similar to the other current OEM Asian AFs.

As for topic, as search of bitog would indicate been discussed at length several times. Toyota says the pink is backward compatible with the red however to get the longer service interval a complete exchange should be done. I'm not much on feelings and hearsay, seen no evidence Red better for radiator/system life. Otoh, if one just prefers to use the shorter service interval red, use it. These parts it's pricey now.

Personally been using Peak Global Lifetime concentrate in an 01 Tacoma with original radiator for several years, working fine.

Re: Toyota Red vs Pink [Re: Gebo] #4686147
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Mods, please close and remove this post. I want to repost with a more clear question.


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Re: Toyota Red vs Pink [Re: Gebo] #4686200
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Originally Posted By: Gebo


Does anyone know if I could be prolonging the life of my car's coolant system by switching from pink to red? Does anyone know the chemical makeup difference between the Toyota Red and Toyota Pink other than one is concentrated and one is diluted?


I am not fan of pink coolants...since I can read that Toyotas have WP leak because of them (topic from yesterday here on BITOG)...plus vw had recalls in 90's because of head gasket leaks because of pink G12...

So to answer your question...I am switching my Toyota to blue/green G11 in Spring...and I am planning to change it on every 2-3yrs...1kz-te engine has very sensitive cooling system though.(the end result could be that you have cracked engine head)

And be adviced (at least here in EU) you can have 4different pink antifreezes... G12 G12+ G12++ and G13... And some of them can not be mixed...

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Re: Toyota Red vs Pink [Re: Gebo] #4686206
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Plus that words as "longlife" "sealed for life"or "lifefill" doesnt exist in my vocabulary smile


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Re: Toyota Red vs Pink [Re: Sayjac] #4686235
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I thought the 'weep hole' anecdote(s) might get posted as regards Toyota SLL Pink use so saved this previously posted information courtesy of member King Cake on the topic. This is what Toyota has to say on the matter.


Re: Toyota Red vs Pink [Re: Gebo] #4686286
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The chemistry is different - SLLC pink uses sebacate as the organic acid. Zerex's Asian formula uses benzoate as the organic acid and it does meet Toyota's pHOAT requirements.

I'm now thinking the red LLC formula doesn't have an organic acid - just phosphate, molybdate, nitrate and an azole for solder protection. I'll have to dig through Google Patents for CCI to see if there was a patent filed. I was under the thought LLC red has benzoate as the organic acid but the Japanese back in the 1980s when Toyota first used a non-silicated coolant didn't jump on the hybrid OAT bandwagon like Germans did with BASF's Glysantin formulas. Except G-05, G-48 and now G-40 are SiHOAT formulas using benzoate or 2-EHA as the organic acid.

Toyota didn't add the below line in the owner's manual until 2004 with the 2nd gen Prius and the refreshed LS430 before it was made standard on all their production lines:

Quote:

"Toyota Super Long Life Coolant” or similar high quality ethylene glycol based non-silicate, nonamine, non-nitrite and non-borate coolant with long-life hybrid organic acid technology

Re: Toyota Red vs Pink [Re: Gebo] #4686309
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The pink OEM is a much better product. Available at Walmart as Valvoline Asian Vehicle Coolant.

Re: Toyota Red vs Pink [Re: Gebo] #4686439
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I seen 2 new products at Walmart today....Prestone for Toyota's and Prestone for Honda's and Nissan's....they came in 1/2 gallon containers and sold for $6.97....they were 50/50 mixes....

Here's a link I found for these products at AA:

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/pres...mp;gclsrc=aw.ds

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/pres...stone+for+Honda


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Re: Toyota Red vs Pink [Re: nthach] #4686678
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Originally Posted By: nthach
The chemistry is different - SLLC pink uses sebacate as the organic acid. Zerex's Asian formula uses benzoate as the organic acid and it does meet Toyota's pHOAT requirements.

I'm now thinking the red LLC formula doesn't have an organic acid - just phosphate, molybdate, nitrate and an azole for solder protection. I'll have to dig through Google Patents for CCI to see if there was a patent filed. I was under the thought LLC red has benzoate as the organic acid but the Japanese back in the 1980s when Toyota first used a non-silicated coolant didn't jump on the hybrid OAT bandwagon like Germans did with BASF's Glysantin formulas. Except G-05, G-48 and now G-40 are SiHOAT formulas using benzoate or 2-EHA as the organic acid.

Toyota didn't add the below line in the owner's manual until 2004 with the 2nd gen Prius and the refreshed LS430 before it was made standard on all their production lines:

Quote:

"Toyota Super Long Life Coolant” or similar high quality ethylene glycol based non-silicate, nonamine, non-nitrite and non-borate coolant with long-life hybrid organic acid technology


nthach,

This is the type of information I'm looking for. With your knowledge base, did Toyota change internal engine metals in 2002? In other words, why do you think they went from Red to Pink? What is in the post 2002 Toyota engines need the organic acids? Or do they? I'm merely trying to learn...


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Re: Toyota Red vs Pink [Re: nthach] #4686752
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@nthach...

http://www.glysantin.de/en/products.html

If you click @more under G48(green/blue G11) and G30 (red/pinky G12+?)... You will see that they are the only 2 with Toyota spec.


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Re: Toyota Red vs Pink [Re: Kamele0N] #4686964
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Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
@nthach...

http://www.glysantin.de/en/products.html

If you click @more under G48(green/blue G11) and G30 (red/pinky G12+?)... You will see that they are the only 2 with Toyota spec.

Toyota hasn't approved those at all - and G30/G40/G48 aren't at all phosphated HOAT coolants.

However, if you look at the info sheet for Zerex Asian Formula or the label, there's a patent that's referenced. BASF holds that patent and internally at Valvoline/BASF, it's known as G69-91/G70.

http://www.luisa.com.gt/sites/default/files/zerex_asian_vehicle.pdf
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5454967

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