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0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo #4656419
02/04/18 10:00 PM
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Just purchased a 2016 Volvo XC60 with a 2 liter 4 cylinder 302HP turbo/supercharged engine.
Recommended oil is 0w20 and oil change intervals are 10k miles.
The oil weight & interval just doesn’t feel right to me.
To top it off the oil level is electronically checked, no dip stick so I can’t even see or feel the oil between my fingers!
The little things that allowed us to care about our cars with a passion are becoming obsolete.
Maintenance now requires high tech (expensive) tools that limit what old wrenches like me can perform.
Your thoughts on today’s technology??
Nice car BUT!!
90cummins

Re: 0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo [Re: Ducati996] #4656428
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A lot of new tech is "tech in reverse". An engine without a dip stick is nuts.


2007 Ford Fusion 235,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 60K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: 0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo [Re: Ducati996] #4656430
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I wouldn't own a car without a dip stick.


99 Jeep WJ 4.7 192,000 Maxlife 10w30, Fram Ultra.
Re: 0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo [Re: Ducati996] #4656448
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Very nice rig. You did know about the non-dipstick and such before you bought?

I am usually one to go with what the manufacturer specified for oil but I would check with Volvo just to make sure. With a turbo and supercharged engine I question the 0w-20.

Maybe some Volvo experts can chime in?


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Re: 0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo [Re: Ducati996] #4656493
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Your vehicle requires a very specific type of 0W20. The oil must be approved for the VCC RBS0-2AE spec. In the US, Castrol Edge Professional V is the only product that is approved for this spec.


2011 Toyota Prius - 178k - Various 0W-20 (Brew)
2007 Honda Accord 2.4 - 133K - Mobil 1 EP HM 5W-30
Re: 0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo [Re: Ducati996] #4656505
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Originally Posted By: Volvo site

Full synthetic engine oil meeting the minimum ACEA A5/B5 must be used. Lower quality oils may not offer the same fuel economy, engine performance, or engine protection.

Originally Posted By: Volvo site

Extreme engine operation
SAE 0W-30 oil meeting ACEA A5/B5 requirements is recommended for extreme driving conditions.

IMPORTANT
4-cylinder engines only: Volvo oil VCC RBS0-2AE/SAE 0W20 is recommended for extreme driving conditions.

This oil must never be used in 5- or 6-cylinder engines.

I'd grab AFE M1 0W30 and be happy.


95 Cherokee 190K DELO 10W30, XG8
07 IS250 103K Napa 10w30, FULL
04 YZF-R1 19K DELO 15w40, XG7317
99 HD XL1200S 21K VR1 20w50, NG1515
14 RX450h 35k PP MIX, NG7047
Re: 0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo [Re: The Critic] #4656512
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
Your vehicle requires a very specific type of 0W20. The oil must be approved for the VCC RBS0-2AE spec. In the US, Castrol Edge Professional V is the only product that is approved for this spec.



Im guessing it is only available at the dealer and the price per qt is very $$$$


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Re: 0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo [Re: Ducati996] #4656514
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Originally Posted By: Ducati996
Just purchased a 2016 Volvo XC60 with a 2 liter 4 cylinder 302HP turbo/supercharged engine.
Recommended oil is 0w20 and oil change intervals are 10k miles.
The oil weight & interval just doesn’t feel right to me.
To top it off the oil level is electronically checked, no dip stick so I can’t even see or feel the oil between my fingers!
The little things that allowed us to care about our cars with a passion are becoming obsolete.
Maintenance now requires high tech (expensive) tools that limit what old wrenches like me can perform.
Your thoughts on today’s technology??
Nice car BUT!!
90cummins

Oil dipstick is controversy among Euro manufacturers. Some claim it is cost cutting some that helps with pressure issues and achieving emission standards. I would say it is cost cutting issue. For example one of the reasons why I bought X5 35d instead of gas is oil dipstick.
Mercedes has oil dipstick in new engines as well as all Japanese manufacturers and as far as I know American.
As for 0W20, it is in order to achieve fleet MPG. Check on www. mobil1.de what oil is required in Europe for that engine. Usually in Europe engines are specd. for heavier oils.


15' Toyota Sienna AWD (Mobil1 0W20 EP+ 2qt of M1 0W40 + FRAM Ultra).
11' VW Tiguan 2.0T (Castrol 0W40+MANN filter)
Re: 0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo [Re: PimTac] #4656538
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Your vehicle requires a very specific type of 0W20. The oil must be approved for the VCC RBS0-2AE spec. In the US, Castrol Edge Professional V is the only product that is approved for this spec.



Im guessing it is only available at the dealer and the price per qt is very $$$$


Nope, there are manufactrers out there.

Volvo have specified a higher HTHS for their 20s than the US or Japanese manufacturers.

Re: 0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo [Re: Ducati996] #4656571
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There might be a solution to easily add a dipstick?

I added a dipstick to my wifes Audi A4 as soon as she bought it. There was a plug, easily removed for dealers that suck out oil instead of draining. Removed it and installed an OEM dipstick I got at a dealer for $32.


Wife: 15' Audi A4 quattro 6 speed manual
Me: 13' VW GTI 3 door 6 speed manual
Wanted: 2019 Ford Ranger
Re: 0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo [Re: skyactiv] #4656596
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I LOVE IT!
A dipstick option kit available at the parts counter.

Re: 0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo [Re: Ducati996] #4656641
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skyactive, very cool you actually added a dipstick. Never heard of that one.

Ducati996 (the OP): See https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3978754/1 and in there bobbydavro has inside knowledge at Castrol.

It appears Volvo wants the HTHS viscosity to be greater than 2.75 which some 0w20's don't have.
I do think Mobil1 AFE 0w30 would be good though, since its got a little extra HTHS and KV100, but not much more (only 10% more is all), leaving some room for possible shearing and fuel dilution that might happen to an unkown extent. (Seal compatibility of M1 AFE 0w30 would be fine since they test dexos1 oils for a ton of different seals, those in SN plus extra ones for dexos1, and its a worldwide spec.)

Also, if you wanted to be absolutely sure you were keeping your warranty intact with THE right oil, there are several more expensive options.
Google either and/or:
1. Volvo Oil Change Kit 0W-20
and/or 2. RBS0-2AE 0w20 oil
and Amazon, eBay, euro parts websites, etc. have several different brands available.
NAPA autoparts can order LiquiMoly oil, one option.
Not super cheap like M1 walmart jugs, but OK.

Volvo probably runs an intelligent oil life monitor (OLM) algorithm like many engines these days.
It might not be exactly 10k miles. For short trip driving, I wouldn't go more than 6 months (any miles), but the OLM should alert you on the dash when to change it.
Nice thing about the no-dipstick situation is that it will tell you if your oil level is a tad low. Nice automatic feature really since it'll catch a small leak before it gets too low.
Just be sure not to overfill the sump. If you DIY, put in enough to get it to the lowest most level, and gradually add up to the full line over a month or two more after the oil change.

DIY oil changes should be easy on this Volvo. Look for a youtube video on your engine to be sure there aren't any weird-unusual steps to follow.

One DIY trick to nudge the viscosity up a little, adding some margin, is to put in the RBS0-2AE 0w20 oil, with one quart missing, and keep topping up with 0w40 of the same brand as your RBS0-2AE 0w20 oil you choose. That way your receipts would show Volvo you put in the right oil, but you added a small visc margin for hot weather, fuel dilution, VII shearing, and/or hard driving.

Re: 0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo [Re: Dyusik] #4656645
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Originally Posted By: Dyusik

I'd grab AFE M1 0W30 and be happy.


Why? The 0W-30 AFE doesn't meet the Volvo spec nor is it A5/B5. If you want to use Mobil 1 I'd suggest 5W-30 EP which is A1/B1 and A5/B5.

Or use 0W-20: Liqui Moly Special Tec V

Re: 0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo [Re: NothingNew] #4656654
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Originally Posted By: NothingNew
Originally Posted By: Dyusik
I'd grab AFE M1 0W30 and be happy.
Why? The 0W-30 AFE doesn't meet the Volvo spec nor is it A5/B5. If you want to use Mobil 1 I'd suggest 5W-30 EP which is A1/B1 and A5/B5.
No, M1 EP 5w30 isn't A5/B5. ... Valvoline full-syn 5w30 is A5/B5. Pennzoil Platinum 5w30 is too. Those would work. A little extra visc probably wouldn't hurt the engine. Volvo uses the word "recommended" when they mention their 0w20 weight, so maybe you could run any A5/B5 xw30 and be fine on warranty claims.

Re: 0w20 oil for 2016 Volvo [Re: oil_film_movies] #4656684
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: NothingNew
Originally Posted By: Dyusik
I'd grab AFE M1 0W30 and be happy.
Why? The 0W-30 AFE doesn't meet the Volvo spec nor is it A5/B5. If you want to use Mobil 1 I'd suggest 5W-30 EP which is A1/B1 and A5/B5.
No, M1 EP 5w30 isn't A5/B5. ... Valvoline full-syn 5w30 is A5/B5. Pennzoil Platinum 5w30 is too. Those would work. A little extra visc probably wouldn't hurt the engine. Volvo uses the word "recommended" when they mention their 0w20 weight, so maybe you could run any A5/B5 xw30 and be fine on warranty claims.



Hmmm, I was going by the Mobil 1 PDS which shows Mobil 1 EP 5W-30 meets or exceeds the requirements of ACEA A1/B1 and A5/B5: https://www.mobil.com/english-us/passenger-vehicle-lube/pds/glxxmobil-1-extended-performance

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