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#4646933 - 01/26/18 12:03 PM Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid?
irv Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
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I just finished crawling out from under my truck to see what Transfer case I have and noticed it read, Borg Warner.

I did some quick reading and found out there are 2, maybe more, types, 44-44 and 44-45. If I am correct, the 44-44 is for those that have auto 4x4, which mine does.

My question is, is the fluid the same for both and do I have no choice but to go to the dealer for this fluid? It is not ATF, but some other special kind of fluid specifically made for this transfer case.

I read where it is $28 U.S. per quart and I need 2 as the TC takes approx 1-1/2 quarts to fill.
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#4646968 - 01/26/18 12:50 PM Re: Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid? [Re: irv]
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#4646969 - 01/26/18 12:50 PM Re: Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid? [Re: irv]
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Is the spec in the OM, "Chrysler Mopar P/N 68157995A."
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#4646973 - 01/26/18 12:54 PM Re: Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid? [Re: irv]
irv Offline


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Originally Posted By: irv
I just finished crawling out from under my truck to see what Transfer case I have and noticed it read, Borg Warner.

I did some quick reading and found out there are 2, maybe more, types, 44-44 and 44-45. If I am correct, the 44-44 is for those that have auto 4x4, which mine does.

My question is, is the fluid the same for both and do I have no choice but to go to the dealer for this fluid? It is not ATF, but some other special kind of fluid specifically made for this transfer case.

I read where it is $28 U.S. per quart and I need 2 as the TC takes approx 1-1/2 quarts to fill.


Maybe I am getting way ahead of myself? Just looking through my manual, if I am reading this correctly, it reads that my TC fluid does not need to be changed until 192,000 kms.
For fleet, police, taxi or frequent trailer towing, the recommended change out is 92,000 kms.
Transmission is the same, 192,000 kms.
I am currently at 63,000 kms so I think I will wait?

I know this isn't the proper section, but the diffs are hard to decipher. It reads the same as above, if used for any of those conditions, change it at, 32,000 kms, then 48,000, and so on and so forth. Nothing is written nor recommended when to change it if you don't drive under those conditions? shrug
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#4646983 - 01/26/18 01:05 PM Re: Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid? [Re: irv]
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Originally Posted By: irv
[quote=irv]

I know this isn't the proper section, but the diffs are hard to decipher. It reads the same as above, if used for any of those conditions, change it at, 32,000 kms, then 48,000, and so on and so forth. Nothing is written nor recommended when to change it if you don't drive under those conditions? shrug



I would go with the more conservative "Severe Service" changes at 32km and then 48km.
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#4647023 - 01/26/18 01:34 PM Re: Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid? [Re: MolaKule]
irv Offline


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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: irv
[quote=irv]

I know this isn't the proper section, but the diffs are hard to decipher. It reads the same as above, if used for any of those conditions, change it at, 32,000 kms, then 48,000, and so on and so forth. Nothing is written nor recommended when to change it if you don't drive under those conditions? shrug



I would go with the more conservative "Severe Service" changes at 32km and then 48km.


I'm at 63,000 kms now so I likely will as both are easy enough to do. Same ease with the TC but with limited use from me and the expense of the Mopar fluid, I think I may wait on that one? `
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#4647038 - 01/26/18 01:47 PM Re: Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid? [Re: MolaKule]
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Is the spec in the OM, "Chrysler Mopar P/N 68157995A."


+1

GO with this. A few companies claim to have an ATF that works but I've never been able to convince myself that they meet the spec.

Dealers and Amazon sell it for $30 and EBay has it for $20. Need a little less than 2qts.

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#4647044 - 01/26/18 01:50 PM Re: Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid? [Re: irv]
MolaKule Offline


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Originally Posted By: irv
...It is not ATF, but some other special kind of fluid specifically made for this transfer case...



How do you know this?

Try this product:

https://www.redlineoil.com/c-atf


If you think the long-term suggested OCI's are for the owners benefit, think again.
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#4647120 - 01/26/18 02:58 PM Re: Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid? [Re: irv]
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The old Chev transfer cases with Auto Trak needed AT2 fluid specifically and it seems Amsoil ATF is compatible.
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#4647171 - 01/26/18 03:54 PM Re: Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid? [Re: irv]
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I used valvoline transfer case fluid in my suburban when I put a new transmission in. So far so good
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#4647184 - 01/26/18 04:03 PM Re: Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid? [Re: irv]
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I'd open the fill plug once in a while to check the level. The BW 1354 uses Dex merc
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#4647268 - 01/26/18 05:56 PM Re: Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid? [Re: MolaKule]
irv Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
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Loc: Oshawa, Ont. Canada
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: irv
...It is not ATF, but some other special kind of fluid specifically made for this transfer case...



How do you know this?

Try this product:

https://www.redlineoil.com/c-atf


If you think the long-term suggested OCI's are for the owners benefit, think again.


Just based on what I read about the BW 44-44 TC fluid, it is not regular ATF.
It has been talked about before on here but it does look like Amsoil's will do the trick? (Link above)
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4134618/BW-44-44_Transfer_Case_special

Your Redline link doesn't mention anything about the BW 44-44 requirement, but maybe it's in those specs/numbers?

The Amsoil should be easier to find, I hope, so I may just go that route? Much cheaper than the OE as well. cheers
https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/t.../?code=ATFQT-EA
https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/t.../?code=OTFQT-EA


Edited by irv (01/26/18 05:58 PM)
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#4647322 - 01/26/18 06:41 PM Re: Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid? [Re: irv]
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Registered: 12/31/17
Posts: 1339
Loc: Alberta
My advice, based on GM change intervals is do not treat a transfer case as if it was a differential. Transfer cases fluids should be changed every 50,000 miles (80,000 km) in my opinion.

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#4647362 - 01/26/18 07:12 PM Re: Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid? [Re: Snagglefoot]
irv Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 943
Loc: Oshawa, Ont. Canada
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
My advice, based on GM change intervals is do not treat a transfer case as if it was a differential. Transfer cases fluids should be changed every 50,000 miles (80,000 km) in my opinion.


Yeah, the more I think about it, and if the Amsoil ATF is compatible/meets the spec, then I'll likely change it out when I do my diffs.

192,000 sounds excessive to me so maybe I am reading that wrong? Same with the transmission fluid, 192,000 on it sounds even more confusing/excessive! shocked
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#4647566 - 01/27/18 12:04 AM Re: Borg Warner transfer cases/fluid? [Re: irv]
Nyogtha Offline


Registered: 10/13/14
Posts: 2171
Loc: San Antonio, TX
Irv,

I also have the BW 44-44 TC in my 2012 Ram. Amsoil is the only company specifically stating they have an aftermarket fluid cross for the OEM fluid, and a few years ago even Amsoil didn't claim this. I did contact Redline, Royal Purple, & Valvoline at that time and all said they did not offer a cross for the OEM Mopar fluid. The Redline C+ is their offering in lieu of ATF+4 and the individual I contacted at Redline advised to use the OEM Mopar TC fluid in my TC. My posts on that are in the BITOG archives. I wound up purchasing OEM fluid for about US $20 / qt off eBay from a Mopar dealership.

FWIW my 2012 Ram OM specifies 64K miles as the TC fluid severe service interval and 128K miles as the standard service interval. I plan to replace my TC fluid and both differentials around 64K miles, which will also be my point for a second ATF & PS fluid change.

YMMV


Edited by Nyogtha (01/27/18 12:11 AM)
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