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2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 #4637213
01/16/18 10:06 PM
01/16/18 10:06 PM
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Washington, USA
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Hereís my latest UOA. This is my oil cycle that included the torn MC FL-500 filter (pics posted in the filer section). Not sure if Iím starting to see fuel dilution because my motor is breaking in or because I changed the oil with very little warm up. Normally I go for a drive to warm everything up and make the oil flow better out my fumoto valve. This time around I was too busy (lazy) and just warmed the engine in the driveway for 5 minutes before putting it up on ramps. The oil was very thick and flowed slowly (it was about 38d outside). I mentioned that in my notes to Blackstone, hence their comments. Iím going back to getting the engine nice and warm before my next oil change.

Other than staying in the viscosity spec better than the Mobil 1, the Schaeffers isnít doing anything special to justify itís higher cost. I figured that would be the case, but itís fun to experiment. Iím already looking forward to dropping in some ďcheapĒ Castrol Magnatec at the next oil change.

For reference, hereís how the four UOAs align (from right to left)
- 1st: Mobil 1 5W-30 (Sept-Dec 2016) - Average fall winter driving with some idling. Did have multiple weekend road trips (200+ miles). Regular fuel/octane and MC filter (no issues). 161 hrs, 32 @ idle (20%;) OLM at 43%
- 2nd: Mobil 1 5W-30 (Jan-April 2017) - Lots of idling and a few weekend road trips (200+ miles). Premium fuel/octane and MC filter (no issues). 203 hrs, 61 @ idle (30%); OLM at 29%
- 3rd: Schaeffer 5W-30 Supreme 9000 (April 2017-Sept 2017). Easy use with limited idling. Multiple road trips, including one 1,100 weekend haul. Premium fuel/octane. Fram Ultra filter (no issues). 178 hrs, 25 @ idle (14%); OLM at 39%
- 4th: Schaeffer 5W-30 Supreme 9000 (Sept 2017-Jan 2018). Another average fall winter driving routine with plenty of idling. One 500+ mile road trip. Regular fuel/octane and a MC filter (torn!). 192 hrs, 57 @ idle (30%); OLM at 37%



2016 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost
Current Oil: Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 and Fram Ultra filter
Re: 2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 [Re: Onug] #4637222
01/16/18 10:17 PM
01/16/18 10:17 PM
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Fort Lauderdale, FL
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No big benefit for sure.

Nice slug of moly there.

I'd say, you might have even been better off with M1. It actually had less iron (shocking).


07 Lincoln Navigator M1 0w-40/FU
68 Charger R/T / Supercharged 440 VR1/DBL7349
07 Ram 3500 4x4 / Cummins 6.7 /DBL7349
17 Maserati GranTurismo Cabrio
Re: 2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 [Re: Onug] #4637223
01/16/18 10:17 PM
01/16/18 10:17 PM
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Rio Rancho, NM
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I don't see Antimony listed on the UOA. It's called Penetro, via Schaeffer's, Strange? BlkStne can test for it, but hey I'm not the chemist. My point being, if they missed Antimony, what else are they not testing.




Respectfully,

Pajero!


Always remember "Planned obsolescence."

1994 Montero SR 3.5 DOHC, 133,xxx
Fram Ultra/ Snorkel with Pre-filter
K-9-Co-pilot
Re: 2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 [Re: Onug] #4637231
01/16/18 10:24 PM
01/16/18 10:24 PM
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TX
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I'll be interested to see how the Magnatec stacks up against these two.

Re: 2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 [Re: Onug] #4637234
01/16/18 10:24 PM
01/16/18 10:24 PM
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MA, Mittelfranken.de
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We read all kinds of post about filter efficiency where one filter takes a beating for its higher than FU micron filtering then we see this uoa with a torn filter no less.
Makes me wonder.


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Re: 2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 [Re: Onug] #4637243
01/16/18 10:33 PM
01/16/18 10:33 PM
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5600 feet elevation, Arizona
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KJSmith, if it performs anything like it did your Ecoboost, itíll be a near perfect UOA. Currently running it my wifeís EB Expedition.


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Re: 2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 [Re: double vanos] #4637245
01/16/18 10:37 PM
01/16/18 10:37 PM
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Iowa
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Given your application, I think a dexos1 Gen2 oil might be a wise choice.


2015 Chevy Traverse 3.6L (LLT) Mobil 1 5w30 w/ Fram Ultra
2017 Chevy Cruze Hatchback 1.4L (LE2) Mobil 1 5w30 w/ Wix
Re: 2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 [Re: double vanos] #4637285
01/16/18 11:46 PM
01/16/18 11:46 PM
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TX
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A lot of mine is my driving conditions.
Probably 80% plus highway with the cruise on.

Typically over 40 mile trip per cold start.

Every truck I have had has done well.
My 7.3 was outstanding with 304k on the clock when it was stolen.

That being said, I hope his and yours perform just as well.

Last edited by KJSmith; 01/16/18 11:47 PM.
Re: 2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 [Re: Onug] #4637293
01/17/18 12:26 AM
01/17/18 12:26 AM
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SE British Columbia, Canada
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Thanks for sharing.Always cool to see four checks in a row.

SF


If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: 2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 [Re: Onug] #4637306
01/17/18 01:17 AM
01/17/18 01:17 AM
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Just curious how much did you have to pay for the Schaeffer's? I just picked some up from a local dealer and he charged me 70 dollars for a 12 quart case. I figured I'd give it a try for that price. Been using Castrol edge in my car and Walmart is usually around 25 dollars for a 5 quart jug. The Schaeffer's I got equalls out to around 29 dollars for 5 quarts. So not much different. Buying Schaeffer's online is definitely more expensive


2016 Dodge Dart GT 2.4 Schaeffer's 0w20 (mine)
2015 Chrysler 200 AWD 3.6 Castrol Magnatec 5w20 (wife's)
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Schaeffer's 5w30 (mine)
Re: 2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 [Re: Onug] #4637394
01/17/18 07:41 AM
01/17/18 07:41 AM
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Indianapolis, IN
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Engine is looking steady in terms of wear now. Overall very good and nothing to fear.

It's nice to hear someone actually admit they understand that spending more money didn't really gain them anything!

Ford requires a lube meeting their spec (for your vehicle it's WSS-M2C946-A). Believe it or not, there's a host of conventional lubes that also meet that spec. Just once, I'd like to see someone step out of their comfort zone and actually try a dino in the EB engines. I suspect it would fare every bit as well as many of these "syns", because they pass the same standards for Ford's spec. Not the least of which are Mobil Super, Valvoline Premium Conventional, Pennzoil, etc ...


The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: 2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 [Re: Trav] #4637402
01/17/18 07:54 AM
01/17/18 07:54 AM
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Indianapolis, IN
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Originally Posted By: Trav
We read all kinds of post about filter efficiency where one filter takes a beating for its higher than FU micron filtering then we see this uoa with a torn filter no less.
Makes me wonder.



I don't wonder. I know.

There's no data that shows premium filters do anything above the average in terms of wear reduction, in "normal" applications. There's also no discernible evidence that torn filters result in horrid wear. This UOA would be an example, for one.

As a group, we've beat this horse to death. So many people link up SAE studies that tout how finer (tighter) filters are "better", but those come from ALTs which grossly distort the conditions to achieve their desired resort. Typically there is no correlation to real world data because the inputs

One study that is from real world testing (the "bus" study) does show good correlation between UOA wear metals, and particulate levels in the lubes. So if you believe that study (and I'm inclined to say it's one of the more trustworthy ones done), then you must ALSO conclude that when UOAs show no statistical difference in wear, the filters used did not do anything substantial to distinguish themselves!

Hence, if running a premium filter in one OCI, and then having a torn media filter on the next OCI, does not make a major difference in wear rates, well then the filters are NOT the input that controls wear!

Can't claim that "better" filters make a difference, and then not be able to produce statistically viable data to prove it.

Only BITOGers believe in filter fairies, but then cannot produce any credible evidence of particulate pixie dust.

Last edited by dnewton3; 01/17/18 07:57 AM.

The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: 2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 [Re: 07hemi] #4637537
01/17/18 10:33 AM
01/17/18 10:33 AM
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Washington, USA
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Originally Posted By: 07hemi
Just curious how much did you have to pay for the Schaeffer's? I just picked some up from a local dealer and he charged me 70 dollars for a 12 quart case. I figured I'd give it a try for that price. Been using Castrol edge in my car and Walmart is usually around 25 dollars for a 5 quart jug. The Schaeffer's I got equalls out to around 29 dollars for 5 quarts. So not much different. Buying Schaeffer's online is definitely more expensive


I got mine off Amazon for around $80 for a 12qt case. No one stocks it around me, so i just it shipped.


2016 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost
Current Oil: Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 and Fram Ultra filter
Re: 2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 [Re: 07hemi] #4637542
01/17/18 10:38 AM
01/17/18 10:38 AM
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lllinois
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lllinois
At these shorter intervals and with such a low number of miles on the machine, these numbers should be good. Hard to separate oils given the limited stress test. Both are fine oils. That said. It looks like this engine will stand up nicely over time.

Originally Posted By: 07hemi
Just curious how much did you have to pay for the Schaeffer's? I just picked some up from a local dealer and he charged me 70 dollars for a 12 quart case. I figured I'd give it a try for that price. Been using Castrol edge in my car and Walmart is usually around 25 dollars for a 5 quart jug. The Schaeffer's I got equalls out to around 29 dollars for 5 quarts. So not much different. Buying Schaeffer's online is definitely more expensive

These prices are more indicative of Schaeffers pricing.


High quality Specialized Lubricants pay for themselves!
Re: 2016 F150 3.5EB, 4,498m with Schaeffers 5W-30 9000 [Re: dnewton3] #4637553
01/17/18 10:51 AM
01/17/18 10:51 AM
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MA, Mittelfranken.de
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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Originally Posted By: Trav
We read all kinds of post about filter efficiency where one filter takes a beating for its higher than FU micron filtering then we see this uoa with a torn filter no less.
Makes me wonder.



I don't wonder. I know.

There's no data that shows premium filters do anything above the average in terms of wear reduction, in "normal" applications. There's also no discernible evidence that torn filters result in horrid wear. This UOA would be an example, for one.

As a group, we've beat this horse to death. So many people link up SAE studies that tout how finer (tighter) filters are "better", but those come from ALTs which grossly distort the conditions to achieve their desired resort. Typically there is no correlation to real world data because the inputs

One study that is from real world testing (the "bus" study) does show good correlation between UOA wear metals, and particulate levels in the lubes. So if you believe that study (and I'm inclined to say it's one of the more trustworthy ones done), then you must ALSO conclude that when UOAs show no statistical difference in wear, the filters used did not do anything substantial to distinguish themselves!

Hence, if running a premium filter in one OCI, and then having a torn media filter on the next OCI, does not make a major difference in wear rates, well then the filters are NOT the input that controls wear!

Can't claim that "better" filters make a difference, and then not be able to produce statistically viable data to prove it.

Only BITOGers believe in filter fairies, but then cannot produce any credible evidence of particulate pixie dust.


That's interesting, thanks for the enlightening info.


ASE L1, Master. Deutsch Meisterbrief.
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