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Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start #4626804
01/07/18 11:15 AM
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Connecticut
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I have an 8kw GE backup generator. Engine is a Briggs&Stratton Model 310000, 500cc, single cylinder. I don't know if the engine is Intek or Vanguard model. The engine has 30.5 hours total time. Engine would not start at 5 degrees and shut off the exercise cycle. Attempts to start in Manual mode were successful but only on the second or third try. Spark plug was changed from the OE (Champion RC12YC) to the Briggs&Stratton Premium Platinum 5066K plug. At 0 degrees this morning the engine started the first time but after 33 seconds of roughness. But it started on its own. I am thinking of having a service call to check the fuel regulator. Are these engines running on NG typically harder to start than gasoline? I've noticed that when the temp is < 10 degrees the engine stumbles for 10-20 seconds before catching. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Sam

Last edited by Sam_Julier; 01/07/18 11:19 AM.

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Re: Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start [Re: Sam_Julier] #4626810
01/07/18 11:20 AM
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It's so hard to say without looking at more info/docs.

I would like to know what type of "enriching circuit" is used at those cold temps.


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Re: Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start [Re: Sam_Julier] #4626816
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Spark and fuel,,,, go from there.


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Re: Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start [Re: Linctex] #4626817
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
It's so hard to say without looking at more info/docs.

I would like to know what type of "enriching circuit" is used at those cold temps.


The manuals don't mention a thing about this.


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Re: Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start [Re: Sam_Julier] #4626821
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I dont think you have a problem. Engines are hard to start when its cold. Especially engines that haven't been ran in a while. Maybe run your engine more often, especially right before you are expecting a big storm.


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Re: Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start [Re: Sam_Julier] #4626836
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Cold, non-synthetic oil possibly contributing to the problem?


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Re: Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start [Re: Sam_Julier] #4626843
01/07/18 11:43 AM
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With the colder than normal ambient temps we're having and the draw on the natural gas infrastructure, it may not be getting quite enough NG to cold start. You could experiment by putting a heating pad around the carb/intake to see if it will (extreme) cold start easier.


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Re: Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start [Re: DNVDMAX] #4626844
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Originally Posted By: DNVDMAX
Cold, non-synthetic oil possibly contributing to the problem?


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Re: Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start [Re: JTK] #4626853
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Originally Posted By: JTK
With the colder than normal ambient temps we're having and the draw on the natural gas infrastructure, it may not be getting quite enough NG to cold start. You could experiment by putting a heating pad around the carb/intake to see if it will (extreme) cold start easier.


During the manual start tests I shut off the heat and on demand hot water - 317,000btu's together. Maybe it started faster but hard to tell.

Sam


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Re: Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start [Re: Sam_Julier] #4626857
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What are the plugs gapped at? They need to be at 20-22.

Re: Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start [Re: NYEngineer] #4626861
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Originally Posted By: NYEngineer
What are the plugs gapped at? They need to be at 20-22.


Spec is .030. New plug installed today is exactly .030. Sam


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Re: Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start [Re: Sam_Julier] #4626871
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You potentially may not need an enriching circuit.

We have a choke on gasoline engines because some of the fuel doesn't atomize and remains as useless droplets that condense in the intake.

Natural gas is gas all the time and should be stoichometric. I tend to agree with the theory of your neighbors' houses using more gas for heat but we need to know what pressure is supposed to be at the street/ mainline level vs coming out of your meter.

I have a 3-way carb on my pull-cord generator, a chinese jobby. It came w/o instructions and has a choke but I assume just for gasoline use.

Re: Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start [Re: Sam_Julier] #4626873
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Originally Posted By: Sam_Julier
Originally Posted By: JTK
With the colder than normal ambient temps we're having and the draw on the natural gas infrastructure, it may not be getting quite enough NG to cold start. You could experiment by putting a heating pad around the carb/intake to see if it will (extreme) cold start easier.


During the manual start tests I shut off the heat and on demand hot water - 317,000btu's together. Maybe it started faster but hard to tell.

Sam


Do you switch (almost) the whole house over for the ten minute run? I thought they just exercised without much of a load during the self-checks.

Re: Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start [Re: eljefino] #4626889
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: Sam_Julier
Originally Posted By: JTK
With the colder than normal ambient temps we're having and the draw on the natural gas infrastructure, it may not be getting quite enough NG to cold start. You could experiment by putting a heating pad around the carb/intake to see if it will (extreme) cold start easier.


During the manual start tests I shut off the heat and on demand hot water - 317,000btu's together. Maybe it started faster but hard to tell.

Sam


Do you switch (almost) the whole house over for the ten minute run? I thought they just exercised without much of a load during the self-checks.


The exercise cycle runs weekly for 20 minutes with no load. It's primary purpose is to recharge the battery (I think). On the first of every month I flip the switch on the main panel to simulate power loss from the grid and exercise the generator too.

Sam


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Re: Natural Gas GE/Briggs&Stratton Generator No Start [Re: Sam_Julier] #4626895
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^ smart.

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