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Say adios to your Elio reservation #4605078
12/16/17 04:07 AM
12/16/17 04:07 AM
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Posts: 7,485
S California
OneEyeJack Offline OP
OneEyeJack  Offline OP
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S California
Just browsed through Elio Motors K1 filing.

$144M in debt and a claim that $376M is needed to start production. And if that's not good enough they are being fined for not having a manufacturer's license and not creating the jobs promised to the state of Louisana and that could eventually exceed $8M when the smoke clears.

Great concept, better price and all the right stuff in the car, just no car for sale to the public.

Re: Say adios to your Elio reservation [Re: OneEyeJack] #4605113
12/16/17 07:12 AM
12/16/17 07:12 AM
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Kendall, FL
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...and an increasingly outdated design that lost its eye-appeal many months ago.


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Re: Say adios to your Elio reservation [Re: OneEyeJack] #4605132
12/16/17 07:47 AM
12/16/17 07:47 AM
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out there
spasm3 Offline
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out there
They have been saying in production next year since about 2012.


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Re: Say adios to your Elio reservation [Re: OneEyeJack] #4605133
12/16/17 07:48 AM
12/16/17 07:48 AM
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New England
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New England
I've been watching this for a while. Just goes to show you how difficult it is to bring a vehicle into production. And how things depend on the economy.

When gas is up to $5/gal, this thing would look a lot better. There's a whole lot of people who can't afford a $25K hybrid or more for a Tesla. A full size motorcycle is going to run over $10K and have fun driving it during the winter in New England. Or getting to work in the rain. A two seater car for $8K and 50+mpg could look pretty good to a lot of people. That said, we'll never know whether the Elio projections were realistic or not.


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Re: Say adios to your Elio reservation [Re: OneEyeJack] #4605184
12/16/17 09:17 AM
12/16/17 09:17 AM
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Michigan
ZZman Offline
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Michigan
Sad to see people get scammed.


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Re: Say adios to your Elio reservation [Re: ZZman] #4605230
12/16/17 09:47 AM
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Mr Nice Offline
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Originally Posted By: ZZman
Sad to see people get scammed.


Yep. The guy is laughing and people lost their deposits.

Re: Say adios to your Elio reservation [Re: OneEyeJack] #4605239
12/16/17 09:55 AM
12/16/17 09:55 AM
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Northern Arizona
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It kinda smelled like a scam when they were advertising a $6800 base price in the beginning. That's how you attract suckers I guess. However, I always thought they'd have better success by marketing that car as a kit. They could've bypassed most of the red tape that way. In the end Paul is still a winner, paying himself a 250k salary thanks to the 60,000 suckers who bought in.


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Re: Say adios to your Elio reservation [Re: OneEyeJack] #4605349
12/16/17 12:32 PM
12/16/17 12:32 PM
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IL
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IL
Those Valeo [censored] were part of this. Good it failed.

and the company relied on CROWDFUNDING?????

Where is the 20% investment with Toyota... GM? No major car maker for support? Wow, why would you do this? You simply cannot build a car today without investment from current auto industry. You just have to make sure they don't own over 50% of the company.

Even Tesla had investments from Toyota and others (latter dumped) but you need that kind of investment to enter the market.

Re: Say adios to your Elio reservation [Re: funflyer] #4605356
12/16/17 12:43 PM
12/16/17 12:43 PM
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OH
SatinSilver Offline
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OH
Originally Posted By: funflyer
In the end Paul is still a winner, paying himself a 250k salary thanks to the 60,000 suckers who bought in.


Sounds like he needs a nice long stay at the Gray Bar Hotel.

Re: Say adios to your Elio reservation [Re: OneEyeJack] #4605367
12/16/17 12:53 PM
12/16/17 12:53 PM
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Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Fort Lauderdale, FL
Business in America.


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Re: Say adios to your Elio reservation [Re: OneEyeJack] #4605387
12/16/17 01:12 PM
12/16/17 01:12 PM
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TN USA
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TN USA
This reminds me of a scam about 40 years ago. It was a three-wheeled car called the “Dale”.

Last edited by Crispysea; 12/16/17 01:21 PM.
Re: Say adios to your Elio reservation [Re: Crispysea] #4605403
12/16/17 01:29 PM
12/16/17 01:29 PM
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OH
SatinSilver Offline
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OH
Wait till the feds start sniffing around. Can't believe the guy is still walking around. Although the guy isn't dumb by any means, just shady.

Re: Say adios to your Elio reservation [Re: OneEyeJack] #4605441
12/16/17 02:21 PM
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Central Virginia
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Central Virginia


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Re: Say adios to your Elio reservation [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4605448
12/16/17 02:25 PM
12/16/17 02:25 PM
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Central Virginia
Silverado12 Offline
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Central Virginia
Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
Those Valeo [censored] were part of this. Good it failed.

and the company relied on CROWDFUNDING?????

Where is the 20% investment with Toyota... GM? No major car maker for support? Wow, why would you do this? You simply cannot build a car today without investment from current auto industry. You just have to make sure they don't own over 50% of the company.

Even Tesla had investments from Toyota and others (latter dumped) but you need that kind of investment to enter the market.


What did Valeo do? I know they shut down Rochester, NY and moved it to Mex but would be interesting to know what they're up to.


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Re: Say adios to your Elio reservation [Re: OneEyeJack] #4607368
12/18/17 02:46 PM
12/18/17 02:46 PM
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Posts: 1,096
Perris, CA
Anduril Offline
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Wife wanted to put down a deposit on one, this is exactly why I told her to wait until they bring something to market. Now she's quite happy with her Versa which has a surprising amount of cargo room for such a small vehicle (yay, hatchback!), can park just about anywhere, comfortably seats 4, and gets an honest 40 mpg on the freeway if there's no traffic.


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