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A little leak goes a long way... #4587032
11/27/17 08:51 PM
11/27/17 08:51 PM
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Campbellsville, KY
Alex_V Offline OP
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So the other day my pastor drove over to pay me for some work I'd done on the HVAC of his '05 Volvo XC90. (2.5L turbo I-5, AWD, 140K - he bought it back in the summer when his 180K-mile '07 Jetta blew a head gasket and chewed up the timing chain at the same time.) As he nears my shop I hear a noise that I honestly thought was a skidsteer or trackhoe across the way with a jack hammer attachment or something - no, it's the Volvo, just started that as he came within sight of the shop. He limps it into my parking lot and gives me a minute to crawl under it where I find the transfer case (3-way bevel drive off the transaxle, basically) is too hot to touch and damp on the bottom, obviously been that way for a while. Calls his wife to pick him up and leaves the Volvo.

Got it in the shop today and got the T-case out - found way more carnage than oil:




Last edited by Alex_V; 11/27/17 08:56 PM.

To quote a friend, "Synthetics, man."

'85 GMC C3500, 454, 132K
'82 Mercedes 300CD, OM617 turbo, 173K (totaled 2018, in rehab)
'85 Mercedes 300TD, OM617 turbo, 217K (wife's)
'67 Suburban, 350, 331K
Re: A little leak goes a long way... [Re: Alex_V] #4587038
11/27/17 08:55 PM
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Eek!


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Re: A little leak goes a long way... [Re: Alex_V] #4587044
11/27/17 09:05 PM
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Crawfordville FL
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Nice.


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Re: A little leak goes a long way... [Re: Alex_V] #4587064
11/27/17 09:34 PM
11/27/17 09:34 PM
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Canada
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Blasphemy!

Volvo's are reliable vehicles. Everyone knows this!
Anyone stating otherwise is a bold-faced liar!

OP probably got the SUV mixed up with an old Chev truck and mistook it for a Volvo


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Re: A little leak goes a long way... [Re: Lolvoguy] #4587070
11/27/17 09:50 PM
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Campbellsville, KY
Alex_V Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Lolvoguy
Blasphemy!

Volvo's are reliable vehicles. Everyone knows this!
Anyone stating otherwise is a bold-faced liar!

OP probably got the SUV mixed up with an old Chev truck and mistook it for a Volvo


Ehem... Chevy trucks have REAL transfer cases with engines that sit the RIGHT way! laugh

I don't blame the vehicle in this case, aside from the seepage which precipitated the failure. Just goes to show that what most consider "overkill" "meticulous" maintenance can sometimes save your butt. 12 years and 140K is certainly not too soon to change every fluid on a newly acquired vehicle, and its very likely that would have prevented this hence paying for itself. The used t-case alone is going to be $300, plus about 5 hrs. of labor which includes breaking the replacement open to inspect it and do any seal/bearing R&R it needs.

Last edited by Alex_V; 11/27/17 09:53 PM.

To quote a friend, "Synthetics, man."

'85 GMC C3500, 454, 132K
'82 Mercedes 300CD, OM617 turbo, 173K (totaled 2018, in rehab)
'85 Mercedes 300TD, OM617 turbo, 217K (wife's)
'67 Suburban, 350, 331K
Re: A little leak goes a long way... [Re: Lolvoguy] #4587075
11/27/17 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted By: Lolvoguy
Blasphemy!
Volvo's are reliable vehicles. Everyone knows this!
Anyone stating otherwise is a bold-faced liar!


LOL tongue2 LOL crackmeup


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Re: A little leak goes a long way... [Re: Alex_V] #4587209
11/28/17 05:58 AM
11/28/17 05:58 AM
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Same engine and transfer case as my wife's XC.

There is Volvo service literature on resealing the "angle gear" as it is called. Read here: Angle Gear Fluid Leakage

My wife's car had a very minor leak. "Weeping" I would call it, but keeping it topped up with a good gear oil is critical to it's life, as your pastor has discovered.

This spring, I resealed the angle gear in her car, and added a drain plug. I wrote up the experience for a Volvo forum: Angle Gear Sealing and Modification

In your Pastor's case, you'll need a junkyard angle gear. They're hard to find as the leak wasn't uncommon and lots of angle gears died as a result. If you're putting a used angle gear in, then get the sealing kit from IPD, and reseal it. My modification makes maintenance on the angle gear easier.

I would also replace the collar spline while you've got the angle gear out. The collar spline is softer than the splines that it engages, its dead t sip out to save the more expensive parts, and yours is likely stripped as a result of the failure of the angle gear.

Finally, it only takes 700ml of oil to properly fill the angle gear. It's that this level is slightly below the fill plug level.

Feel free to post or PM with questions and good luck.


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Re: A little leak goes a long way... [Re: Alex_V] #4587262
11/28/17 07:31 AM
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Campbellsville, KY
Alex_V Offline OP
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Thanks for the tips, astro14. I already bought the Amsoil SVG 75/90 for it and will look into your drain plug upgrade. I have to go to Lexington to get the salvage unit and was gonna swing by a dealership while I'm up there to see about the other parts.


To quote a friend, "Synthetics, man."

'85 GMC C3500, 454, 132K
'82 Mercedes 300CD, OM617 turbo, 173K (totaled 2018, in rehab)
'85 Mercedes 300TD, OM617 turbo, 217K (wife's)
'67 Suburban, 350, 331K
Re: A little leak goes a long way... [Re: Alex_V] #4587362
11/28/17 09:36 AM
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There are limits to what God will provide.

Re: A little leak goes a long way... [Re: Alex_V] #4587372
11/28/17 09:57 AM
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11th Commandment:
"Thou shall fix leaks before ye runnith driveline components dry"


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Re: A little leak goes a long way... [Re: Alex_V] #4587430
11/28/17 10:48 AM
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I had an experience where the quick lube we used for company trucks must not have been examining the differential .

Pinion seal leaked enough that the diff started making lots of bad noises .

Replaced the whole diff with one from a salvage yard .


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God bless
Re: A little leak goes a long way... [Re: Alex_V] #4587498
11/28/17 11:34 AM
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The guy didn't notice any leaks in his driveway????

Re: A little leak goes a long way... [Re: Mr Nice] #4587533
11/28/17 12:03 PM
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Virginia Beach
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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
The guy didn't notice any leaks in his driveway????



They don't just pour out, they "weep". And they only hold 700ml. So, there may have been nothing on the driveway as it slowly ran dry.


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Re: A little leak goes a long way... [Re: Astro14] #4587543
11/28/17 12:09 PM
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Campbellsville, KY
Alex_V Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
The guy didn't notice any leaks in his driveway????



They don't just pour out, they "weep". And they only hold 700ml. So, there may have been nothing on the driveway as it slowly ran dry.


This. The dirt and chaff accumulated in the oil residue indicated it had been damp, but only damp, for a while. The case is split vertically with no gasket, and it sits right behind the engine (under the turbo, actually) covered by the skid cover from
underneath - so there's plenty of ways for it to leak and not leave substantial evidence.


To quote a friend, "Synthetics, man."

'85 GMC C3500, 454, 132K
'82 Mercedes 300CD, OM617 turbo, 173K (totaled 2018, in rehab)
'85 Mercedes 300TD, OM617 turbo, 217K (wife's)
'67 Suburban, 350, 331K
Re: A little leak goes a long way... [Re: Alex_V] #4588146
11/28/17 09:12 PM
11/28/17 09:12 PM
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Cave City KY
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Originally Posted By: Alex_V
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
The guy didn't notice any leaks in his driveway????



They don't just pour out, they "weep". And they only hold 700ml. So, there may have been nothing on the driveway as it slowly ran dry.


This. The dirt and chaff accumulated in the oil residue indicated it had been damp, but only damp, for a while. The case is split vertically with no gasket, and it sits right behind the engine (under the turbo, actually) covered by the skid cover from
underneath - so there's plenty of ways for it to leak and not leave substantial evidence.

sounds like a poor design with no gasket btw hello over there in campbellsville im not that far.


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