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Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines #4552176
10/23/17 03:56 PM
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ON, Canada eh?
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ON, Canada eh?
This is how they supposedly damaged the engines for the cash for clunkers program.



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Re: Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines [Re: StevieC] #4552201
10/23/17 04:15 PM
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Some of those head gasket fix products use that. It goes in the cooling system and fills holes in head gaskets, block cracks, etc.


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Re: Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines [Re: StevieC] #4552212
10/23/17 04:24 PM
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Yup, I have video of us doing one. Actually ended up quite finny when the upper rad hose let go while one of the techs was watching too close. No-one was hurt.


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Re: Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines [Re: StevieC] #4552230
10/23/17 04:35 PM
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ON, Canada eh?
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If the vehicle is leaking from somewhere, replace the part. I never understood the stop leaks. More harm than good!


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Re: Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines [Re: StevieC] #4552342
10/23/17 06:06 PM
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That was such a fun time to be a tech!

Re: Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines [Re: StevieC] #4552351
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A lot of great cars were destroyed with that stuff.


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Re: Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines [Re: StevieC] #4552355
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Where the wind comes sweepin'
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Where the wind comes sweepin'

Re: Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines [Re: StevieC] #4552384
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It was the biggest waste of vehicles. I saw the European cash 4 clunkers and they turned in junk, yet Americans junked vehicles that were fine. A guy on a different forum worked for the company that made sodium silicate, and said all of the sudden they had a ton of orders. It cost tax payers $24,000 per person. It irks me that so many participated.

Last edited by 97prizm; 10/23/17 07:11 PM.

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Re: Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines [Re: StevieC] #4552385
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ON, Canada eh?
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Total waste, I agree!


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Re: Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines [Re: StevieC] #4552560
10/24/17 02:55 AM
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It was a thinly veiled corporate welfare programme.

You can make your own sodium silicate out of silica gel and lye...it's handy stuff when mixing geopolymers from fly-ash, and much cheaper than harvesting it from radiator sealer.

Can make fireproof/termite proof wood with it too.

Re: Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines [Re: StevieC] #4552561
10/24/17 03:02 AM
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Destroy a car that has already done it's worst environmental damage (its construction) and moved on, in order to replace it with a new one that creates a new legacy of environmental harm.

Brilliant.


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Re: Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines [Re: StevieC] #4552609
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Plenty of benefits to program too.

1) incredible offer for Junk piles. Sister managed this on turn in with non passing inspection domestic SUV that was severely neglected. It was given to her (paid $1) and worked for a year or so. Destruction put it out of misery.
2) used vehicle prices increased which benefitted sellers who went on to new vehicles. My father reduced his vehicle collection and was paid incredible money IMHO.

Re: Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines [Re: madRiver] #4553171
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Originally Posted By: madRiver
Plenty of benefits to program too.

1) incredible offer for Junk piles. Sister managed this on turn in with non passing inspection domestic SUV that was severely neglected. It was given to her (paid $1) and worked for a year or so. Destruction put it out of misery.
2) used vehicle prices increased which benefitted sellers who went on to new vehicles. My father reduced his vehicle collection and was paid incredible money IMHO.


Wasn't a very good program compared to most alternatives available:

https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/cash-for-clunkers-an-evaluation/
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/upl...brief_gayer.pdf

Even the GAO wasn't convinced: http://www.gao.gov/assets/310/303722.pdf

And our own thread on this earlier this year:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4461835/1

Of course it got closed because, politics.


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Re: Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines [Re: madRiver] #4553730
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Originally Posted By: madRiver
Plenty of benefits to program too.

1) incredible offer for Junk piles. Sister managed this on turn in with non passing inspection domestic SUV that was severely neglected. It was given to her (paid $1) and worked for a year or so. Destruction put it out of misery.
2) used vehicle prices increased which benefitted sellers who went on to new vehicles. My father reduced his vehicle collection and was paid incredible money IMHO.


Ahh...wealth transfer...the recipients always think that's a great idea.

Re: Cash for Clunkers - How they destroyed the engines [Re: StevieC] #4553735
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A total shame and sad to watch. It made me mad. So wasteful and being a tax payer, I was forced to fund such a travesty.



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