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Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win #4546714
10/17/17 10:20 PM
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Okay actually this is a lot of propaganda for Amsoil but I actually really admire how well Castrol Edge with Ti and Valvoline Synpower do. They're cheap off the shelf oils you can get at Walmart for less than half the price of boutique oil but outperform Redline in things like TEOST. They also do really well overall in general. While they're not usually the best, they land favorably in almost all the tests. IMO, the ball bearing test is nearly useless as a measure of anything inside an ICE

What the heck is up with Redline at TEOST?? I guess it achieves it's low NOACK by just turning solid instead?

The cost comparison chart at the end seems like total nonsense to me.

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Re: Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win [Re: FlyPenFly] #4546727
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Yeah after having a look, the cost chart isn't really accurate; it's assuming the other oils can only go 4775 miles before needing to be changed, which we here all know is WELL short of most of their capabilities. For that matter, Amsoil at just over 11k is also short by a bit, depending on driving habits.

I'm an Amsoil user (fanboy? dunno) and the 4-ball wear test is bunk to me - TOtally agree with you there.

All the other tests do show that Amsoil is a solid oil and that the others are pretty decent also. I'd have liked to see Schaeffer Oil in there also as I think their stuff is really really good.

All said once my remaining Amsoil is used up I may be making a switch to FU and....


Thick vs Thin test: 15k / 43k miles complete
Re: Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win [Re: FlyPenFly] #4546741
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Valvoline always shows good results yet it gets tagged here as a cheap sodium based oil. There is a lot more to Synpower than sodium.

Last edited by PimTac; 10/17/17 11:30 PM. Reason: Correcting the spell check

2017 Mazda CX-5 GT.

Valvoline Modern Engine 0w20
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Re: Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win [Re: FlyPenFly] #4546751
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Meh. A bunch of tests that havent been reflective of what happens in a real world environment. M1 EP seems to rate quite poorly in these comparisons...ironically its still excellent oil and I havent heard anyone have any issues with it.


2007 Corolla Red Pearl 155k miles
PP 0w20 & ST 4967

Re: Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win [Re: FlyPenFly] #4546767
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What is Redline High Performance Oil? Four-Ball test? They are back with their fake 'tests'.


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Re: Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win [Re: FlyPenFly] #4546795
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I think with the Amsoil you also have to take into account the preferred customer pricing and the points program in the costs.


'18 Dodge Grand Caravan GT - Valvoline (Break-in)
'06 Santa Fe - 535,000km AMSOIL SS 0w30 / ATF
Re: Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win [Re: FlyPenFly] #4546802
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That comparison is from 2013


2001 F150 Supercrew 4.6 - 321,000 miles- PP 5W-20/MC FL-820S
2011 Shelby GT500 SVTPP - 705 RWHP - PP Euro 0W-40/Wix 51372XP

Re: Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win [Re: FlyPenFly] #4546812
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Originally Posted By: FlyPenFly
Okay actually this is a lot of propaganda for Amsoil but I actually really admire how well Castrol Edge with Ti and Valvoline Synpower do. They're cheap off the shelf oils you can get at Walmart for less than half the price of boutique oil but outperform Redline in things like TEOST. They also do really well overall in general. While they're not usually the best, they land favorably in almost all the tests. IMO, the ball bearing test is nearly useless as a measure of anything inside an ICE.

What the heck is up with Redline at TEOST?? I guess it achieves it's low NOACK by just turning solid instead?

The cost comparison chart at the end seems like total nonsense to me.


So my only question to you, since you discount the "wear" test would be which oil will produce the least wear?
The only answer will be based on the "wear" test as nothing else in the test shows anything related to wear.

So instead of theories, which oil will produce the least wear?

Re: Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win [Re: FlyPenFly] #4546813
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I think all the tests are useless because it all depends on the oils ability to cope with engine specific design and conditions. UOA is king of determining that. No one oil is best for all applications because it's a certain brand. wink

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'06 Santa Fe - 535,000km AMSOIL SS 0w30 / ATF
Re: Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win [Re: PimTac] #4546814
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Valvoline always shows good results yet it gets tagged here as a cheap sodium based oil. There is a lot more to Synpower than sodium.


Valvoline is a terrific product, always has been, I agree, way unrated.
Tagged as Sodium based, agree again, some people think that is a negative without researching it.
Its not sodium as we know it, it shows up as sodium in tests but is not the sodium we think of, its part of a additive package.

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Re: Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win [Re: alarmguy] #4546815
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Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Valvoline always shows good results yet it gets tagged here as a cheap sodium based oil. There is a lot more to Synpower than sodium.


Valvoline is a terrific product, always has been, I agree, way unrated.
Tagged as Sodium based, agree again, some people think that is a negative without researching it.
Its not sodium as we know it, it shows up as sodium in tests but is not the sodium we think of, its part of a additive package.


My dad's 2012 Caravan 3.6L V6 that has 300K km's (200K Miles) was fed a steady diet of Valvoline at the quick lube shops and it consumes no oil / leaks no oil.


'18 Dodge Grand Caravan GT - Valvoline (Break-in)
'06 Santa Fe - 535,000km AMSOIL SS 0w30 / ATF
Re: Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win [Re: FlyPenFly] #4546816
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Show me direct correlation, and more importantly causation, between those tests and actual wear data from engines, and then I'll care.
Until that evidence is clear, it's just marketing hype.


The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win [Re: FlyPenFly] #4546817
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Quote:
Testing was completed February 2013 by an independent, third-party lab.


Near 5 year old test results? Seriously? How much have these formulations changed in that time? Heck, Pennzoil no longer sells just "Ultra" as a Synthetic oil.

Re: Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win [Re: alarmguy] #4546818
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Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: FlyPenFly
Okay actually this is a lot of propaganda for Amsoil but I actually really admire how well Castrol Edge with Ti and Valvoline Synpower do. They're cheap off the shelf oils you can get at Walmart for less than half the price of boutique oil but outperform Redline in things like TEOST. They also do really well overall in general. While they're not usually the best, they land favorably in almost all the tests. IMO, the ball bearing test is nearly useless as a measure of anything inside an ICE.

What the heck is up with Redline at TEOST?? I guess it achieves it's low NOACK by just turning solid instead?

The cost comparison chart at the end seems like total nonsense to me.


So my only question to you, since you discount the "wear" test would be which oil will produce the least wear?
The only answer will be based on the "wear" test as nothing else in the test shows anything related to wear.

So instead of theories, which oil will produce the least wear?


Sequence IVA > 4-ball for motor oil evaluation.

Re: Synthetic Comparison - Castrol and Valvoline win [Re: dnewton3] #4546842
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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Show me direct correlation, and more importantly causation, between those tests and actual wear data from engines, and then I'll care.
Until that evidence is clear, it's just marketing hype.




Best post of this thread.


2017 Mazda CX-5 GT.

Valvoline Modern Engine 0w20
Mobil 1 EP 108A
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