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#4546415 - 10/17/17 04:43 PM Valvoline VR1 with Catalytic Converters
Lowrider Offline


Registered: 10/10/17
Posts: 3
Loc: San Antonio, Texas
So I bought a new Harley softail with the M8 engine. The bike is currently at the stealership getting the 1k service done. It will have Syn3 for this run. Hey, the 1k service was "free" smile

I've always used Valvoline 20w-50 VR1 in my twin cam bike and sportster (traded the sporty in on the softail). I think it's great oil and I learned about it from you fine folks here at BITOG years ago. I have over 67,000mi on a 2006 ultra and it still runs great, good cold cranking psi readings, no sumping or blowby. The engine seemed to like that oil too. Oil temps were good and the engine seemed to have less valvetrain noise. FWIW, I typically run around 5k OCIs and the Harley oil filter. That bike doesn't have cats though. The new bike does, and will keep them, while it's under the 2yr warranty. So the bottles of VR1 I have says not for extended use with catalytic converters. It also says not for street use, racing oil, off highway, blah, blah, blah. Will VR1 kill my catalytic converters? Should I use the syn Valvoline 20w-50 over the conventional VR1? Mobil 1 v twin?

I am not really cost sensitive on this issue. I guess I found something I was happy with and now I may have to change (the horror). I have to admit I hate paying Harley $$ for the Syn3...


Edited by Lowrider (10/17/17 04:43 PM)

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#4546421 - 10/17/17 04:50 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 with Catalytic Converters [Re: Lowrider]
Ethan1 Offline


Registered: 12/29/14
Posts: 1632
Loc: 'murica
Originally Posted By: Lowrider
The bike is currently at the stealership getting the 1k service done.

Originally Posted By: Lowrider
currently at the stealership

Originally Posted By: Lowrider
stealership

Originally Posted By: Lowrider
steal

Good lord, why? Why did you buy a motorcycle from thieves?!? Why did you go back to those same thieves again? What did they steal from you? Have you filed a police report? Will your homeowner's cover it?

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#4546478 - 10/17/17 06:04 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 with Catalytic Converters [Re: Lowrider]
gman2304 Offline


Registered: 08/11/11
Posts: 3050
Loc: n.c.
Originally Posted By: Lowrider
So I bought a new Harley softail with the M8 engine. The bike is currently at the stealership getting the 1k service done. It will have Syn3 for this run. Hey, the 1k service was "free" smile

I've always used Valvoline 20w-50 VR1 in my twin cam bike and sportster (traded the sporty in on the softail). I think it's great oil and I learned about it from you fine folks here at BITOG years ago. I have over 67,000mi on a 2006 ultra and it still runs great, good cold cranking psi readings, no sumping or blowby. The engine seemed to like that oil too. Oil temps were good and the engine seemed to have less valvetrain noise. FWIW, I typically run around 5k OCIs and the Harley oil filter. That bike doesn't have cats though. The new bike does, and will keep them, while it's under the 2yr warranty. So the bottles of VR1 I have says not for extended use with catalytic converters. It also says not for street use, racing oil, off highway, blah, blah, blah. Will VR1 kill my catalytic converters? Should I use the syn Valvoline 20w-50 over the conventional VR1? Mobil 1 v twin?

I am not really cost sensitive on this issue. I guess I found something I was happy with and now I may have to change (the horror). I have to admit I hate paying Harley $$ for the Syn3...
Iíve ran the Vr1 conventional in evoís and TC engines for years and like it. However in your case with a new M8, I would go with the Syn3 while itís under warranty and then if you want to lose the cats, fine. BTW, congrats on the new M8.

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#4546680 - 10/17/17 09:19 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 with Catalytic Converters [Re: Lowrider]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10012
Loc: Indiana
Since it literally states on the bottle "Not recommended for extended use in vehicles equipped with catalytic converters.", no.

I'd have to check the synthetic vs. conventional, but I believe the above comment was on the front of the bottle with the older conventional?
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#4546715 - 10/17/17 10:20 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 with Catalytic Converters [Re: Lowrider]
Seventh Offline


Registered: 11/11/12
Posts: 234
Loc: NorCal
It's not going to kill your cats in two years.

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#4546770 - 10/18/17 01:29 AM Re: Valvoline VR1 with Catalytic Converters [Re: Lowrider]
Olas Offline


Registered: 12/11/13
Posts: 3933
Loc: Manchester, England
The fluod in the sump is not a concern re: catalytic converters.

However, oil leaking down the exhaust IS a serious problem wether you hav cats or not.
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#4546826 - 10/18/17 06:15 AM Re: Valvoline VR1 with Catalytic Converters [Re: Seventh]
alarmguy Offline


Registered: 07/10/12
Posts: 2147
Loc: South Carolina
Originally Posted By: Seventh
It's not going to kill your cats in two years.


^^That^^ ,, \\\ the VR1 shouldnt affect the CATS for 100,000 + miles on an automobile so on Harley certainly not in 2 years.
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#4546882 - 10/18/17 07:14 AM Re: Valvoline VR1 with Catalytic Converters [Re: Lowrider]
Lowrider Offline


Registered: 10/10/17
Posts: 3
Loc: San Antonio, Texas
Great! I think I'll go with the VR1 next time.

It's hard for me to change from something that's worked well for me.

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#4546889 - 10/18/17 07:21 AM Re: Valvoline VR1 with Catalytic Converters [Re: Lowrider]
LeakySeals Offline


Registered: 02/18/11
Posts: 6561
Loc: Hudson, NH
Modern oils have substituted catalyst damaging additives to give them a longer life. But it still comes down to oil consumption. The more you consume the faster the catalyst clogs and degrades.
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#4547032 - 10/18/17 10:21 AM Re: Valvoline VR1 with Catalytic Converters [Re: Olas]
gman2304 Offline


Registered: 08/11/11
Posts: 3050
Loc: n.c.
Originally Posted By: Olas
The fluod in the sump is not a concern re: catalytic converters.

However, oil leaking down the exhaust IS a serious problem wether you hav cats or not.


OLAS.....I got it!! crackmeup Even though you butchered the Queens english! wink


Edited by gman2304 (10/18/17 10:23 AM)

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#4551622 - 10/23/17 05:16 AM Re: Valvoline VR1 with Catalytic Converters [Re: Lowrider]
shanneba Offline


Registered: 07/10/04
Posts: 886
Loc: Indiana (IN)
Since you like Valvoline, just use the Syn 4T 20w-50.

It has a little less zinc and Phos than the VR1 syn racing, and probably less friction reducers. (the VR1 syn Racing is not recommended for wet clutches either)

VR1 Racing - zinc 1400 ppm Phos 1300 ppm
4T - zinc 1120 ppm phos 1000 ppm
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#4551838 - 10/23/17 10:52 AM Re: Valvoline VR1 with Catalytic Converters [Re: Lowrider]
MoreCowbellAz Offline


Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 322
Loc: Phoenix, Az
I have an '00 RK, did an oil change yesterday and thought I'd try VR1 20w50. I don't have a cat to worry about, but I can say two things after 80 miles: One, there's no difference whatsoever in valve train noise as compared to Mobil 1 15w50 or Valvoline 4T 20w50 syn (not that my bike is horribly noisy to begin with), and Two that stuff is stinky when it gets hot! I have an external breather on my bike and I can def smell the sulpher or phos or zinc or whatever, the Mobil 1 wasn't nearly as smelly. The Valvoline 4T was smelly too, probably even worse.

Anyway, I have no doubt it's good oil, I have no worries about running it, I was just surprised after all the internet chatter I've read that I don't notice any difference in noise. I think I'm pretty much in the camp of oil is oil now, but I couldn't help but experiment and find out for myself.


Edited by MoreCowbellAz (10/23/17 10:52 AM)
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#4551919 - 10/23/17 12:02 PM Re: Valvoline VR1 with Catalytic Converters [Re: Lowrider]
loneryder Offline


Registered: 04/19/14
Posts: 489
Loc: WV
Highly recommend the Valvoline 4t 20-50. I've been using it in my 14 Ultra Ltd with cat. Top end is quieter than Mobil 1 and it can go easily 5k according to my oil reports. I'm still under ext. warranty.
Let us know what you think of the Syn 3.

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