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new Yokohama winter tire #4538869
10/10/17 08:27 AM
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A performance winter aka Central European winter tire

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp...romCompare1=yes


2016 VW Tiguan|APR Stage 1|Neuspeed P-Flo|Osram CBI|Redline 5w30
Re: new Yokohama winter tire [Re: UG_Passat] #4538945
10/10/17 09:33 AM
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Wet side WA
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Well kind of pricey and no UTQG. I'd have to wait some time and get some serious feedback after some folks had say 40 to 60K on some of them. But I like the tread pattern.


2004 Corolla 128335
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74615
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
Re: new Yokohama winter tire [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #4538954
10/10/17 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Well kind of pricey and no UTQG.

Which winter tires provide a treadwear index?


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (PUP 0W-40 SRT)
Re: new Yokohama winter tire [Re: UG_Passat] #4538988
10/10/17 10:10 AM
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Looks like same pattern as vredestein snowtrac 3's, granted alot of tread imitators in the winter tire category.


2007 Corolla Red Pearl 155k miles
PP 0w20 & ST 4967

Re: new Yokohama winter tire [Re: UG_Passat] #4539026
10/10/17 11:01 AM
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I like the tread pattern. Looks good.


2010 Mazda RX8 Sport - 37k miles - ????
2006 Toyota Matrix XR AWD (Wife) - 130k miles - Valvoline Max Life 5w30
Re: new Yokohama winter tire [Re: Quattro Pete] #4539032
10/10/17 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Well kind of pricey and no UTQG.

Which winter tires provide a treadwear index?


Why don't they? They should but they bought them selves a loop hole.


2004 Corolla 128335
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74615
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
Re: new Yokohama winter tire [Re: Quattro Pete] #4539039
10/10/17 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Well kind of pricey and no UTQG.

Which winter tires provide a treadwear index?


the ones you can use in the other 3 seasons as well. My Nokian WR G3 had the treadwear rating of 500.


2016 VW Tiguan|APR Stage 1|Neuspeed P-Flo|Osram CBI|Redline 5w30
Re: new Yokohama winter tire [Re: UG_Passat] #4539283
10/10/17 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Well kind of pricey and no UTQG.

Which winter tires provide a treadwear index?


the ones you can use in the other 3 seasons as well. My Nokian WR G3 had the treadwear rating of 500.

Right, because it's technically an all-season. smile


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (PUP 0W-40 SRT)
Re: new Yokohama winter tire [Re: UG_Passat] #4539286
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Technically it is a central European winter tire


2016 VW Tiguan|APR Stage 1|Neuspeed P-Flo|Osram CBI|Redline 5w30
Re: new Yokohama winter tire [Re: UG_Passat] #4539661
10/10/17 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Technically it is a central European winter tire

Sure, but I'm guessing NHTSA has classified this Nokian tire as an all-season and that's why it's required to have a treadwear index rating.

Nokian probably could have had it classified as a strictly winter tire if they wanted to, but that would go against their marketing messaging.


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (PUP 0W-40 SRT)
Re: new Yokohama winter tire [Re: UG_Passat] #4539764
10/11/17 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
A performance winter aka Central European winter tire

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp...romCompare1=yes


AKA Central European tire? Please define that to me? I am from there so would like to know that definition?
As far as I know this is performance tire, EVEN in Central Europe.


15' Toyota Sienna AWD (Mobil1 5W30 EP+OEM filter).
11' VW Tiguan 2.0T (Castrol 0W40+MANN filter)
Re: new Yokohama winter tire [Re: UG_Passat] #4539765
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Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Technically it is a central European winter tire

Maybe Nokian thinks that. That is why they are POS in winter.
For example tires that you can find in central Europe are: Sava S3, GY UG 9, Conti TS860 etc. which are much better then a lot of "Nordic" tires (whatever that is).

Last edited by edyvw; 10/11/17 01:57 AM.

15' Toyota Sienna AWD (Mobil1 5W30 EP+OEM filter).
11' VW Tiguan 2.0T (Castrol 0W40+MANN filter)
Re: new Yokohama winter tire [Re: UG_Passat] #4539807
10/11/17 05:13 AM
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I think I saw “Central European” and “Nordic” winter tire classification in Scandinavian tire tests.
Nordic are subclassified as friction and studded if my memory serves me well. They seems to map to performance, studless and studded winter tires in the USA.
Studable (studded without studs :-) seems to be unknown animal over there.
There is possibility that these names are creations of Google translate.
Sometimes literary translation is not good.
My high school English teacher example:
Naked conductor ran along the train.
English language ambiguity may not be conveyed if the words in target language for a human conductor and a wire are
not the same.

Krzyś

Re: new Yokohama winter tire [Re: edyvw] #4539937
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Technically it is a central European winter tire

Maybe Nokian thinks that. That is why they are POS in winter.
For example tires that you can find in central Europe are: Sava S3, GY UG 9, Conti TS860 etc. which are much better then a lot of "Nordic" tires (whatever that is).


Apparently you're the expert, and I know nothing about winter tires.

So you should already know the weather conditions that is more typical for central Europe, as a resident yourself.

The Nordic region, such as Sweden, Norway and Finland sees a different winter conditions than typical central European conditions (aka not the mountains, like the Alps, and such), where studded tires (Hakka number series) and their non-studded alternatives (Hakka letters, such as RSI, R, & R2) are used.

The central European conditions certain tire manufacturers view the market as more borderline freezing, with more rain and if when it does snow, transitions to slushy quickly, so the emphasis is more on cold-dry and cold-wet than the sustained cold-snow/packed snow/ice in other regions. These are purely friction "Lamella" tires (which that's what the L in the LM-series for Bridgestone Blizzaks signify).

Nitto has a good video explaining things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TFgM5KJLbI

Now with the All-weather tires, they are targeted to the central Europeans who don't have the luxury of storage space to have 2 sets of wheels to have a 3-season set and a winter set.


2016 VW Tiguan|APR Stage 1|Neuspeed P-Flo|Osram CBI|Redline 5w30
Re: new Yokohama winter tire [Re: UG_Passat] #4540201
10/11/17 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Technically it is a central European winter tire

Maybe Nokian thinks that. That is why they are POS in winter.
For example tires that you can find in central Europe are: Sava S3, GY UG 9, Conti TS860 etc. which are much better then a lot of "Nordic" tires (whatever that is).


Apparently you're the expert, and I know nothing about winter tires.

So you should already know the weather conditions that is more typical for central Europe, as a resident yourself.

The Nordic region, such as Sweden, Norway and Finland sees a different winter conditions than typical central European conditions (aka not the mountains, like the Alps, and such), where studded tires (Hakka number series) and their non-studded alternatives (Hakka letters, such as RSI, R, & R2) are used.

The central European conditions certain tire manufacturers view the market as more borderline freezing, with more rain and if when it does snow, transitions to slushy quickly, so the emphasis is more on cold-dry and cold-wet than the sustained cold-snow/packed snow/ice in other regions. These are purely friction "Lamella" tires (which that's what the L in the LM-series for Bridgestone Blizzaks signify).

Nitto has a good video explaining things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TFgM5KJLbI

Now with the All-weather tires, they are targeted to the central Europeans who don't have the luxury of storage space to have 2 sets of wheels to have a 3-season set and a winter set.


Maybe I am expert considering nonsense you are constantly putting here.
What is methodology behind "central European" tire? Sava S3 (which I bet you know what I am talking about), Kleber, Debica, Fulda, etc. Continental TS series, GY Ultra Grip (Euro) series are all, to make it easier for you to understand, real winter tires. I had Sava S3, I had GY ultra Grip 5, 6, 7, 7+, I had Continental TS 810, 830 and 850. I would chose any time for worst conditions those tires then Bridgestone Blizzak WS70 (which I have on Tiguan now) or not to mention Nokian WR that I had on BMW 525d and besides Hankook W300 was the worst tire in snow and ice I ever had.
As for driving conditions in Central Europe, I know, I grew up there, lived there until I was 25. When you have 6ft of snow in two days, temperatures going to -42c, etc. is not something that tire manufacturers are neglecting.
This tire you posted here is considered performance tire here and in Central Europe. Maybe it is hard for you to understand that, but then, you drive on Nokian WR.


15' Toyota Sienna AWD (Mobil1 5W30 EP+OEM filter).
11' VW Tiguan 2.0T (Castrol 0W40+MANN filter)
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