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Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA #4514082
09/12/17 09:27 AM
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OK guys, thought I'd post the Euro L 5W30 VOA since I had great success with the Euro 0W40 in my Odyssey. This oil went into my 01 Forester with 216k, so I will have a UOA sometime in the future.

First thoughts looking at the VOA, it is kind of a letdown (at least to me) when comparing to the 0W40 on the add pack. I understand this is a C3/SN oil, and the 0W40 is an A3/B4 oil, but at 7.6k UOA, the 0W40 TBN was only 1.0 lower than this VOA. Can somebody chime in on this? I know it's a serviceable oil, but this almost makes me want to just use the 0W40 in the Subaru as well as the Odyssey. I'll put the VOA up first, and my 0W40 UOA up second. VI does look to be impressive at 183, which is slightly higher than the PDS at 174. I'll toss the PDS clip in at the bottom.

For $22.97, it's not a BAD oil, but I think it's just OK. Thoughts on the Euro L 5W30?

VOA:


0W40 UOA:


PDS:

Re: Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4514091
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Thanks for the VOA.

Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
but this almost makes me want to just use the 0W40 in the Subaru as well as the Odyssey.

If your engines don't call for low SAPS oil, then don't use it.


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (FF)
Re: Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4514095
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Yeah, if you read the spec, Euro L is meant more for diesel engines than gasoline engines. Probably fine for 5k, but not good for 10k. Stick with 0w40 or whatever the recommended oil is for your car. Basically it boils down to don't use a diesel oil in a gasser.

Re: Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4514104
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I wouldn't pay a premium for it, but it looks fine.


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Re: Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA [Re: Quattro Pete] #4514283
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete

If your engines don't call for low SAPS oil, then don't use it.

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Does SN still qualify, or is there enough overlap in the API/ACEA ratings that it can still meet SN and low SAPS for ACEA? I mean, technically the Subaru is SJ and the Odyssey is SL, but obviously it's pretty difficult to find anything that would only meet SJ or SL. What would be some good oils for these applications?

Re: Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4514306
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Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
Does SN still qualify, or is there enough overlap in the API/ACEA ratings that it can still meet SN and low SAPS for ACEA? I mean,

Not sure what you mean by "still qualify"? An oil can meet API SN and still be low SAPS, if that's what you're asking.

Quote:
technically the Subaru is SJ and the Odyssey is SL, but obviously it's pretty difficult to find anything that would only meet SJ or SL. What would be some good oils for these applications?

It really depends on how long of an OCI you want to do.

Historically, US gasoline was not ultra low sulfur, which caused rapid TBN depletion in oil, which meant that low SAPS oils were poorly suited to handle long OCIs in gasoline engines here. Now, things are changing and supposedly US is moving over to ultra low sulfur gasoline, but I don't know where we are at with actual implementation of this, and if/how it varies by region, by state, by gasoline brand, etc.

On the other hand, low SAPS oils are designed to protect modern diesel emissions equipment, which neither one of your cars has, so it's of no benefit to you. They may also provide some benefit in DI engines (questionable), but again, your engines are not DI.

My recommendation for your applications, if you want to run long OCIs, would be to stick with full SAPS oils.


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'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (FF)
Re: Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4514349
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So, Pete, please humor me. How do I determine a "full-SAPS" oil, and what are some examples of such? Thanks for the info!

Re: Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4514353
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Anything that has reasonably high TBN, say above 8, I would consider full SAPS. Anything meeting ACEA A3/B4 spec will have TBN of 10 or higher, because that is what that spec calls for... Castrol 0w-40, Castrol 0w-30, Mobil1 0w-40, Pennzoil Euro 5w-40 or 0w-40, just to name a few.


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (FF)
Re: Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4514355
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Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
So, Pete, please humor me. How do I determine a "full-SAPS" oil, and what are some examples of such? Thanks for the info!


The Euro L carries the BMW LL-04 rating, that is a low saps rating.

Last edited by mightymousetech; 09/12/17 04:00 PM.

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Re: Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA [Re: mightymousetech] #4514366
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thanks Subie for posting the lackluster VOA of PP Euro 5w-30.
The PP Euro L 0w-40 is now my go-to oil for extended drain over 10K miles.


'11 Camry 2.5L 160K mi
'07 Corolla 1.8L 220K mi
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Re: Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA [Re: camryrolla] #4514375
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Originally Posted By: camryrolla
thanks Subie for posting the lackluster VOA of PP Euro 5w-30.

It's not lackluster. It's exactly as it was designed, and exactly as required by modern diesel engines.

Quote:
The PP Euro L 0w-40 is now my go-to oil for extended drain over 10K miles.

PP Euro 0w-40 doesn't have 'L' in it. If it did, it would have been a low SAPS oil, just like that 5w-30 that the OP posted. smile


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (FF)
Re: Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4514643
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Thanks Pete. Glad everyone enjoyed the VOA!

Re: Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA [Re: camryrolla] #4514880
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Originally Posted By: camryrolla
thanks Subie for posting the lackluster VOA of PP Euro 5w-30.
The PP Euro L 0w-40 is now my go-to oil for extended drain over 10K miles.


There is no such thing as PP Euro L 0W40?


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Re: Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4514926
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OP, ~ 820 ppm Zinc and TBN of 7 looks about right to me for a 5W30 SN and mid-SAPS C3 oil.

A full SAPS A3 / B4 oil is required to have a TBN > 10 as SA between 1.0 and 1.6 %, typical values would be TBN of ~ 11 and SA of ~ 1.2 %.

A mid SAPS C3 oil is required to have TBN > 6 and SA < 0.8 %. Your results are fairly typical.

For the record, a low SAPS C4 oil is required to have SA < 0.5 %

But most Dexos1 / GF-5 oils have SA of ~ 0.8 % and a TBN of ~ 7.5 so you are very much in the same ball park as most people out there, except your C3 oils has a higher HTHS >= 3.5 cP instead of the usual 3.0 to 3.1 cP for an ILSAC 5W30.

I would run a Euro synthetic C3 oil 5,000 to 7,500 miles.
You could run a Euro Synthetic A3/B4 oil 10,000 to 15,000 miles.

BTW a Euro C3 oil is almost the same as a Dexos2 oil.

Last edited by SR5; 09/13/17 09:16 AM. Reason: Dexos2 = C3

Penrite Vantage 10W40 SN & A3/B4 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
Re: Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4514993
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Mightymouse, no, there is no Pennz Platinum Euro L 0W40. It is just Pennz Plat Euro 0W40. The L denotes the lower TBN due to lower SAPS content.

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