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#4508304 - 09/05/17 06:06 PM 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn
otis24 Offline


Registered: 10/30/05
Posts: 1656
Loc: South Dakota
Vehicle: 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan 3.6 Pentastar, Miles on Engine:41086, Oil:SuperTech 5w/20 Full Synthetic, Miles on Oil: 10036, Make up oil: 0 quarts, Date of report: 08/07/2017

Owner Notes: The last 3500 miles on this vehicle/oil was a round trip to Louisiana over the week of July 4th. This UOA was provided as part of the Pennzoil UOA program. My current fill is Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w/20.

Blackstone comments: Universal averages show typical wear for a run of about 7100 miles. Your engine is showing similar wear results to average after a long service interval, and that's nothing to complain about. The TBN is also hanging in there at 1.7 (1.0 is too low for continued use). This engine would do just fine with 12000 miles on the next service interval. Just don't exceed Chrysler's recommended mileage while the vehicle is under warranty. Excellent first report!


Note: All readings were within the Unit/Location Averages
Aluminum 5
Chromium 1
Iron 19
Copper 42
Lead 0
Tin 0
Molybdenum 102
Nickel 0
Manganese 2
Silver 0
Titanium 0
Potassium 4
Boron 52
Silicon 18
Sodium 9
Calcium 2167
Magnesium 11
Phosphorus 697
Zinc 810
Barium 0

SUS Viscosity @210F 53.4
cSt [email protected] 100 C 8.29
Flashpointin F 410
Fuel % <0.5
Antifreeze % 0
Water % 0
Insolubles % 0.2
TBN 1.7
TAN N/A
ISO Code N/A

I drive a combination of very short trips in town (less than 2 miles) or long distances of 70 miles or greater, plus trips of 700 miles or greater during the holiday season. My goal with the UOA was to see how well my oil of choice is holding up with short distance driving and secondly, to see how a "generic" synthetic like SuperTech would compare to an upper echelon oil like Pennzoil Ultra Platinum. About 3500 miles into my current OCI. I plan on using a synthetic oil and going strictly by the OLM. For this OCI, the OLM indicated change around the 10k mile mark.


Edited by otis24 (09/05/17 06:12 PM)
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#4508317 - 09/05/17 06:25 PM Re: 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn [Re: otis24]
FlyNavyP3 Offline


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Great showing here by ST synthetic. Was this Warren made or one of the other blenders?
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#4508322 - 09/05/17 06:31 PM Re: 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn [Re: otis24]
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Registered: 10/30/05
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Loc: South Dakota
Warren (WPP)
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#4508328 - 09/05/17 06:36 PM Re: 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn [Re: otis24]
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Registered: 05/07/15
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my wifes civic has had ST oil in from the first oil change, and it's well over 120K maybe even 150K and zero issues. great oil IMO.
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#4508395 - 09/05/17 07:52 PM Re: 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn [Re: otis24]
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Hard to beat ST made by WPP. David Newton ran it for 15k miles I think and it held up very good too. Don't need $30-50 a 5 qt container to do the job.
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#4508565 - 09/05/17 10:26 PM Re: 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn [Re: otis24]
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Loc: South Florida
That oil is beat at 10K miles, and I highly disagree with going 12K miles on it as they recommend.
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#4508599 - 09/05/17 11:15 PM Re: 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn [Re: otis24]
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Registered: 03/12/09
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Good looking report. A ST vs PUP isn't really comparing apples to apples though. At the end of the day, I am not sure what the takeaway will be comparing ST to PP only because you are comparing one run only of ST to one run of PUP. You want to look for trends when comparing different brands and that is best achieved by comparing one brand over a series of consecutive UOAs.

TBN is "hanging in there" at 1.7 and they advise stretching it out to 12k? Not sure if this is sound advice.
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#4508834 - 09/06/17 09:12 AM Re: 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn [Re: otis24]
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Registered: 10/07/05
Posts: 320
Loc: Maryland
Originally Posted By: otis24
TBN 1.7

Oil is overrun. If you don't want to have a quart per 1000 miles oil consumption next year, do not use it for 10k.
You did not pay for TAN, and this is wrong: it is definitely more than 4. Change oil when TBN is about 3, TAN in this case will be about same value.
Oil is cheap, especially SuperTech. What are you trying to reach saving $15 per year?
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#4509392 - 09/06/17 07:16 PM Re: 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn [Re: timeau]
car51 Offline


Registered: 03/12/15
Posts: 10256
Loc: Southwest PA
Originally Posted By: timeau
Originally Posted By: otis24
TBN 1.7

Oil is overrun. If you don't want to have a quart per 1000 miles oil consumption next year, do not use it for 10k.
You did not pay for TAN, and this is wrong: it is definitely more than 4. Change oil when TBN is about 3, TAN in this case will be about same value.
Oil is cheap, especially SuperTech. What are you trying to reach saving $15 per year?


I'll believe DNewton3 knowledge before this hog wash

ST oil, Harvest King oil, NAPA brand oils are all fine oils. Too bad if you don't like it
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#4509771 - 09/07/17 08:44 AM Re: 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn [Re: car51]
timeau Offline


Registered: 10/07/05
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Loc: Maryland
Originally Posted By: car51
Originally Posted By: timeau
[quote=otis24]TBN 1.7
I'll believe DNewton3 knowledge before this hog wash

Please, confirm: this is a pure insult, correct?

Originally Posted By: car51
ST oil, Harvest King oil, NAPA brand oils are all fine oils. Too bad if you don't like it

Please, cite my post where I did say that don't like ST.

P.S. I am waiting for explanation/apologies and/or admin staff reaction on your rude post.
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#4509826 - 09/07/17 10:03 AM Re: 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn [Re: otis24]
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Registered: 02/12/13
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Loc: Virginia
Good report for a 10k run. Pentastars are usually easy on oil. Newton's 15k run was on ST dino.
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#4509886 - 09/07/17 11:31 AM Re: 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn [Re: sir1900]
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Registered: 09/10/10
Posts: 1897
Loc: GA.
Too many variables in drive style to suggest going to 12K miles next time for an OCI ... I'd consider 10K miles on a lower tier synthetic oil good and change it out . I don't believe Crysler will recommend anything over 7.5K mile any way so not worth the risk / reward factor here to go longer miles on a fill of ST .
Originally Posted By: sir1900
Good looking report. A ST vs PUP isn't really comparing apples to apples though. At the end of the day, I am not sure what the takeaway will be comparing ST to PP only because you are comparing one run only of ST to one run of PUP. You want to look for trends when comparing different brands and that is best achieved by comparing one brand over a series of consecutive UOAs.

TBN is "hanging in there" at 1.7 and they advise stretching it out to 12k? Not sure if this is sound advice.
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#4509966 - 09/07/17 01:12 PM Re: 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn [Re: timeau]
car51 Offline


Registered: 03/12/15
Posts: 10256
Loc: Southwest PA
Originally Posted By: timeau
Originally Posted By: car51
Originally Posted By: timeau
[quote=otis24]TBN 1.7
I'll believe DNewton3 knowledge before this hog wash

Please, confirm: this is a pure insult, correct?

Originally Posted By: car51
ST oil, Harvest King oil, NAPA brand oils are all fine oils. Too bad if you don't like it

Please, cite my post where I did say that don't like ST.

P.S. I am waiting for explanation/apologies and/or admin staff reaction on your rude post.



No one ever said you don't like the oil. Chill out with the angry tone also
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#4510036 - 09/07/17 02:12 PM Re: 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn [Re: otis24]
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Registered: 06/27/09
Posts: 730
Loc: Hollister, CA
Since it is still under warranty why go past the factory limit of 10K or what the OLM says? Just does not seem to be worth it to me with cheap oil.
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#4512893 - 09/11/17 06:30 AM Re: 2016 Grand Caravan SuperTech 5w/20 Full Syn [Re: otis24]
otis24 Offline


Registered: 10/30/05
Posts: 1656
Loc: South Dakota
The owners manual does not give a mileage limitation. It says to go by the OLM. I will double check that but I think that this is correct. The OLM activated around 10k miles, which is what I had planned to do anyway. If it activates sooner, I will change it sooner. This UOA was provided by Pennzoil. So, my goal was to see how a lower tier synthetic would hold up against a name brand synthetic doing long drain intervals. I did a 3500 mile round trip to Louisiana on this UOA. This is unusual for me. I plan on running my current UOA with PUP to 10k miles regardless of OLM just for similar comparison. I suspect that my OLM will activate much sooner with my typical short driving style. My goal is to see what advantages,if any, PUP offers over a "lesser" oil and to see if it is worth the price differential.
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