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Help me choose between these at the same price #4505796
09/02/17 08:35 PM
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Johnny248 Offline OP
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Without super long and detailed info, in layman's terms, what is the best choice out of these oils? All costing the same. My requirements are the best oil of the group in a High Milage , 5w20, that will be good for a minimum of 8,000 miles between oil changes. I basically want what everyone else wants. The best oil, best protection, best performance at this price range. I know it doesn't make a huge difference, but I own this vehicle and want the engine to last as long as possible whole being leak free, noise free, and piece of mind.

M1 HM, PP HM, CE HM, VAL Syn HM




Thanks for your input!


'11 Ram 1500 5.7L
'08 Beetle 2.5L
'04 Mini Cooper S JCW 1.6L

Re: Help me choose between these at the same price [Re: Johnny248] #4505806
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Don't use Photobucket. You can upload your photos directly to BITOG.


'57 FL Straight 50 wt
'90 Miata 1.8L w/Rotrex Supercharger [Mobil1 0W-40]
'96 Ram 1500 [3.7L Mobil1 0W-20 / 1L 15W-50]
'01 PT Cruiser [Mobil1 0W-40]
Re: Help me choose between these at the same price [Re: Johnny248] #4505807
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What vehicle application?

While those four are priced somewhat close to each other at Walmart, CEHM is probably the costliest. M1 and PP I think are priced similar. Being comparable I'd select the one on roll back or on sale or simply the cheapest.

Re: Help me choose between these at the same price [Re: Johnny248] #4505808
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Johnny248 Offline OP
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Right now they are all the same with the exception of the Castrol. I'd like to chose one and stick with it.

It's the '11 Ram 1500 5.7l Hemi, and I live in Michigan. Odo is ~103k at the moment. The oil change reminder usually kicks in around 8000 miles. I have a stock of Fram Ultra as well as Purolator Boss filters that I've been using.


'11 Ram 1500 5.7L
'08 Beetle 2.5L
'04 Mini Cooper S JCW 1.6L

Re: Help me choose between these at the same price [Re: Johnny248] #4505819
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I would try Mobil AFE 0w-30 It is an impressive oil that shouldn't be impressive.


2015 Ford F150 2.7
2018 Ford F350 6.2
Re: Help me choose between these at the same price [Re: CT8] #4505844
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Originally Posted By: CT8
I would try Mobil AFE 0w-30 It is an impressive oil that shouldn't be impressive.


It's impressive even though it shouldn't be??

The engine calls for 5w20, yet I've run 0w20 through a lot of it's life also. Mainly in the winter.


'11 Ram 1500 5.7L
'08 Beetle 2.5L
'04 Mini Cooper S JCW 1.6L

Re: Help me choose between these at the same price [Re: Johnny248] #4505856
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Whatever it get, your engine will likely last well past 250k with proper car.

Just stick with one and keep at it.

Re: Help me choose between these at the same price [Re: Johnny248] #4505857
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You might as well forget about Photobucket and switch everything over to Flickr.

Re: Help me choose between these at the same price [Re: Johnny248] #4505944
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Mate they are all good quality, name brand, full synthetic, ILSAC oils. It will not make a fig of difference which one you select, they are all excellent and I like them all.

However if you want me to get off the fence, then today I like Valvoline MaxLife Full Synthetic, in 5W20 it has a Noack of 9.3% and I like my volatility below 10%.
(FS-MaxLife-PDF)


Castrol GTX Ultraclean 15W40 A3/B3 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
Re: Help me choose between these at the same price [Re: Johnny248] #4506103
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I had an '08 Ram with the infamous "Hemi tick."

Valvoline SynPower made to tick go away, or at least reduced to point it couldn't be heard over the headers and dual exhaust combo.

I ran Mopar, Mobil 1, and SynPower, and the engine ran smoothest on Valvoline. YMMV.


'12 Buick Enclave 150,xxx
Valvoline ML SynBlend 5w30
ACDelco PF63E

'17 Ford Fusion (Company Lease) 54,xxx
Oil � Don't know
Filter � Don't care
Re: Help me choose between these at the same price [Re: Johnny248] #4506250
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I had been running Amsoil SS 0w20 in the past and all I had to pay for was the filter, and that oil seemed to work very well in the Ram. Since then I've been using regular M1 as well as reg Castrol Edge. It may be phsycological, but it seems like the "Hemi Tick" and/or overall engine noise is a little more noticeable with the M1. Now that I have over 100k on the engine, I was looking at a HM version to use and hopefully stick with, but. Don't really know how they all compared. I've used regular MaxLife in the past in other vehicles and it always seems to have a good reputation in the BITOG community, but I want to keep it a full syn in this truck. I've always thought of the Valvoline full syn oils to be inferior to some of the other full syns on the market, and that's why I was hesitant withe the Val Syn HM. I don't know if there is any truth to that or if it has just been something I remember from the past regarding SynPower or whatever Val calls their FS oil the days.

I don't see anything on Valvoline's website that recommends a drain interval. Is the FSHM good for 10-15k like the other brands? The engine calls for 5w20. As I mentioned, I've ran both 5w20 as well as 0w20 in the. The FSHM 0w20 actually has a slightly higher vis at 100, which seems good, and a higher vis index, so I think that may be the better choice?

Lastly, I usually add a can of LM MoS2 to the oil for pom. It says a 300ml can is good for 5l (5.28qts). This engine required 7qts of oil. Obviously the Mos2 will increase the count in a 7qt sump, but should I be adding a can plus another 114ml , or about a total of 1.5 cans of MoS2 to cover the 7qts?

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'11 Ram 1500 5.7L
'08 Beetle 2.5L
'04 Mini Cooper S JCW 1.6L

Re: Help me choose between these at the same price [Re: Johnny248] #4506269
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Last but not least, it has been awhile since I've been active on here. The Pennzoil Platinum was all the rage around the last time I had been following. Now it says it has some Pureplus technology that create base stocks from natural gas. Is this a good thing? Bad thing? Gimmick? Or a non-factor? It just sounds strange to me.


'11 Ram 1500 5.7L
'08 Beetle 2.5L
'04 Mini Cooper S JCW 1.6L

Re: Help me choose between these at the same price [Re: Johnny248] #4506281
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Originally Posted By: Johnny248
Last but not least, it has been awhile since I've been active on here. The Pennzoil Platinum was all the rage around the last time I had been following. Now it says it has some Pureplus technology that create base stocks from natural gas. Is this a good thing? Bad thing? Gimmick? Or a non-factor? It just sounds strange to me.


It's a good oil, many satisfied users here.


God Bless Our Troops

Re: Help me choose between these at the same price [Re: Johnny248] #4506562
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Pennzoil Platinum made on natural gas (GTL or PurePlus) is an excellent and well respected oil.

For the MoS2 you don't need it with a good oil, but if you want it - no problem, one can per oil change will be ample.

Another way to make a decision is look at the 100C viscosity listed for all the oils you are interested in. Do you prefer a thicker or thinner 20 grade? Then select based on viscosity.

I haven't looked up the products you listed, but as a rough rule of thumb, PP is usually at the thin end of the range while Castrol is often at the thick end of the viscosity range. But most HM oils tend to be thicker.

What about a thin, non-HM, oil like PP 5W30 ? Last time I looked it was sitting just the other side or the viscosity fence. From memory a KV100 of 9.3 cSt is the 20 / 30 grade border.


Castrol GTX Ultraclean 15W40 A3/B3 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
Re: Help me choose between these at the same price [Re: Johnny2Bad] #4506587
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Originally Posted By: Johnny2Bad
Don't use Photobucket. You can upload your photos directly to BITOG.


How do you do that? What can we do with the photos that are presently in PB??

Last edited by tig1; 09/03/17 07:27 PM.

2007 Ford Fusion 233,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 58K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

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