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Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt #4500590
08/28/17 05:21 PM
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My latest oil analysis with the MotorGuard added in series with the Puradyn MTS-24. The 2 ltrs of oil was 1.5 for the MotorGuard filter and .5 topoff.

http://photos


2009 Ford F-350 (Detroit 4-53T)
2000 Ford Excursion (Triton V10)
1993 Dodge D250 (Cummins 6BT)
Re: Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt [Re: A310] #4500623
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Originally Posted By: A310
My latest oil analysis with the MotorGuard added in series with the Puradyn MTS-24


Oil flows through the Puradyn MTS-24 first... then through the MotorGuard?


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt [Re: Linctex] #4500663
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: A310
My latest oil analysis with the MotorGuard added in series with the Puradyn MTS-24


Oil flows through the Puradyn MTS-24 first... then through the MotorGuard?


No, it runs through the MotorGuard first, then through the Puradyn MTS-24. Here's some pictures:




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2000 Ford Excursion (Triton V10)
1993 Dodge D250 (Cummins 6BT)
Re: Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt [Re: A310] #4500810
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Nice!!!!!


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Re: Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt [Re: A310] #4500816
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That's crazy! I've seen guys with bypass oil filters, but never with wear that low.


2007.5 dodge cummins 6.7 liter. Chevron Delo400 15w40. 7000 mile or 250-300hr intervals.

Re: Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt [Re: A310] #4500851
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That early 6BT sure is a sweet engine. Fairly low power density compared to the new engines but wow look at the results. To top it off they're using regular old T4 and not something exotic. Really a great report.


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Re: Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt [Re: A310] #4500862
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Yes the 6BT's are awesome engines, just a pleasure to run. The engine runs like the day it rolled off the factory floor, no smoke, blowby and uses very little oil.


2009 Ford F-350 (Detroit 4-53T)
2000 Ford Excursion (Triton V10)
1993 Dodge D250 (Cummins 6BT)
Re: Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt [Re: A310] #4500970
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The wear is admirably low; yes.

However, it may well be that the twin filters are scrubbing the evidence of wear from the UOA sample. Such "extra" filtration is likely removing Fe (and anything else) under 5um. It won't remove all particles, but it is altering the actual values. Filtration that stout is going to be taking particles from 2-5um out of the stream with a reasonable amount of efficiency. Therefore, the UOA isn't going to see the whole view of what's happening. You can see the effect in that really small stuff is staying in the system; the Fe ppm is accumulating, so the count is slowly going up. But the "larger" stuff (probably 2um+) is being scrubbed out.

Additionally, using the MG means you're changing elements fairly often, right? So a portion of the volume of total sump is "new" (reasonably clean) upon introduction. That dilutes the sample further, which alters ppm. I cannot tell you how much it does so; you'd need to calculate it via the volume ratios. How often are you going to have to FCI the MG filter?


I'm not knocking the UOA; it is what it is. But we need to view it for what it is ... altered via removal of some portion of the wear particulate, and diluted to some degree.

It's a nice set-up on a good ol' engine.

Last edited by dnewton3; 08/29/17 05:05 AM.

The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt [Re: A310] #4501239
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Excellent!!

I can't remember where on the Puradyn site I saw it, but there is a letter from the owner/operator/Captain of a boat that uses the Puradyn filter system that has changed oil only twice in 32 years, once due to an unrelated mechanical failure that diluted the oil.

Your system appears sustainable. I currently have about 33K+ (53K km) miles on my system (with a Puradyn and other goodies); I will post Blackstone report in another few thousand miles.

Ignore the naysayers; I do. There are 3 types of people in this world; those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who say "What happened?" A large part of this forum is the latter two.


Whatever
Re: Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt [Re: A310] #4501405
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Let me understand this. You have TWO bypass filters in series, in addition to the stock filter(s)?

Charlie


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88 Toyota OJ50LV OM314 motor D1 SHC
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Re: Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt [Re: Ihatetochangeoil] #4501491
08/29/17 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: Ihatetochangeoil
Excellent!!

I can't remember where on the Puradyn site I saw it, but there is a letter from the owner/operator/Captain of a boat that uses the Puradyn filter system that has changed oil only twice in 32 years, once due to an unrelated mechanical failure that diluted the oil.

Your system appears sustainable. I currently have about 33K+ (53K km) miles on my system (with a Puradyn and other goodies); I will post Blackstone report in another few thousand miles.

Ignore the naysayers; I do. There are 3 types of people in this world; those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who say "What happened?" A large part of this forum is the latter two.


Thanks, I'll continue with this system and see how it works out.:) At the moment I'll be changing the toilet paper every 5000 miles and see how that works. I'm coming up to 25000 miles on the Amsoil full flow, so that will get changed out at the end of the year. All in all I'm very happy with the setup.:) Be looking forward to you seeing you next report.


2009 Ford F-350 (Detroit 4-53T)
2000 Ford Excursion (Triton V10)
1993 Dodge D250 (Cummins 6BT)
Re: Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt [Re: m37charlie] #4501492
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Originally Posted By: m37charlie
Let me understand this. You have TWO bypass filters in series, in addition to the stock filter(s)?

Charlie


That's correct:)


2009 Ford F-350 (Detroit 4-53T)
2000 Ford Excursion (Triton V10)
1993 Dodge D250 (Cummins 6BT)
Re: Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt [Re: A310] #4501899
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Looking Good A310
Keep doing what your doing. I agree with Ihatetochangeoil, your system appears sustainable. I'm currently 67,000 miles into my own bypass experiment. I'll post results in a few months at 75,000 miles.


2011 King Ranch Ford Expedition EL 4x4 - 191,000 miles - Amsoil Signature Series 5w-20, BMK 23-EA Dual Bypass Filter
Re: Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt [Re: A310] #4501983
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FCIs for the MG filter every 5k miles.
And you add 1.5 ltrs every FCI, right?

So how many miles represent a full OCI? IOW - how many liters used for the MG FCI will make for a sump exchange?
Presuming 15 qrts for the sump; you OCI about every 9th FCI (give or take a bit)
So 9 FCI x 5k miles is roughly one OCI every 45k miles.
Plus, you FCI the Amsoil FF filter every 25k miles? That's probably a qrt or more? (not sure which EaO you're using).
It's hard to make that FF cycle fit exactly into the MG BP regime, but we could say you're probably doing (roughly) a staggered OCI every 35-40k miles.
You're changing oil, just not all at once!

Also, why the mixed UoMs? (Miles for distance but liters for volume?)

I'm not lambasting the fun you're having. Nothing wrong with experimenting. Just need to keep a good tree-top view of things and realize the whole situation and not get mired (excited) about the details without understanding the top-level view.

Two BP systems plus OCIs every 40k miles will make for a really clean sump!

Last edited by dnewton3; 08/30/17 06:04 AM.

The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: Rotella T 15W40 43,500 Kms On 93 Cummins 6bt [Re: Crusher] #4502526
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Originally Posted By: Crusher
Looking Good A310
Keep doing what your doing. I agree with Ihatetochangeoil, your system appears sustainable. I'm currently 67,000 miles into my own bypass experiment. I'll post results in a few months at 75,000 miles.


Thanks Crusher. Looking forward to your results:)


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2000 Ford Excursion (Triton V10)
1993 Dodge D250 (Cummins 6BT)
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